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Post by jbreitenbucher on Dec 14, 2015 18:14:32 GMT -6
Nice. Too bad he hasn't switched to the new logo on the patches yet. I really dig the new logo.
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Post by Winterland on Dec 14, 2015 18:53:09 GMT -6
Nice. Too bad he hasn't switched to the new logo on the patches yet. I really dig the new logo. Don't be such a downer.  |
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Post by mkeview on Dec 14, 2015 22:04:07 GMT -6
 A half assed fit pic. The wife was not into being a photographer tonight. The fit is great. I altered it slightly from the standard 31 slim fit CF uses. The slight increases in rise, thigh and knee have made them perfect for me especially with the thickness of the denim. The build is what you can expect from CF. They are built like a tank! The leather patch is super thick and is perfect for these. The buttons are top notch and fit surprising easy. I mean compared to the horror stories I've heard. My fingers got a work out but doable. Stitching nice and even and not a single thread out of place. 6 month wait and now that the are here I have no regrets. Most hardcore, best built and fitting jeans! |
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Post by wdw on Feb 15, 2016 9:08:11 GMT -6
I need some advice, guys. I was wearing the 23oz when cleaning out a manhole for a few minutes, like you do, then did a cold machine wash inside out which didn't clean them at all. Frustrated, I then did a 30 degree wash with the outside facing out. My wife now tells me that the jeans are covered in white lines and marks and look pretty awful.
Is there anything I can do to fix this, like adding dye, or is this just an expensive lesson learned?
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Post by mkeview on Feb 15, 2016 11:43:54 GMT -6
Can you post pictures? I never machine wash my jeans. I always soak (warm or cold depending on if I need them to shrink) and woolite dark. I've never had this experience.
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Post by wdw on Feb 15, 2016 12:14:36 GMT -6
The pics my wife sent me looked pretty bad, with white patches and lines, but they're now drying again after she put them into a warm bath to soak and hopefully spread some black around. They don't look quite as bad on the rack as they did, but they're still wet. I read afterwards that they should never be put into a spin cycle, or at most a low-speed one, and of course they should always be washed inside out. So I washed them outside out at 1400 spin, with predictable results  I'll see how bad it is tomorrow, but I find them so uncomfortable that I don't really care if they're KIA. This 23oz is a world away from the soft IH 21oz. |
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Post by MiddleAge on Feb 15, 2016 13:24:43 GMT -6
The pics my wife sent me looked pretty bad, with white patches and lines, but they're now drying again after she put them into a warm bath to soak and hopefully spread some black around. They don't look quite as bad on the rack as they did, but they're still wet. I read afterwards that they should never be put into a spin cycle, or at most a low-speed one, and of course they should always be washed inside out. So I washed them outside out at 1400 spin, with predictable results I'll see how bad it is tomorrow, but I find them so uncomfortable that I don't really care if they're KIA. This 23oz is a world away from the soft IH 21oz. Just wear them hard. the lines will be less noticeable when they start to fade. |
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Post by wdw on Feb 15, 2016 13:30:14 GMT -6
MiddleAge, I do wear them hard, almost every day after work and more besides, but they just won't break in. They started to develop lighter lines around my butt, knees and in creases, but I couldn't tell if that was fading or just the colour rubbing off. I'm not sure if this type of black will ever fade. I also wonder if the indigo has different characteristics, and if it's maybe softer from the get-go. If I could swap them for Ciano's lighter black, I'd do it in an instant, but I guess I'm stuck with them, lines and all.
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Post by exophobe on Feb 15, 2016 13:42:26 GMT -6
MiddleAge , I do wear them hard, almost every day after work and more besides, but they just won't break in. They started to develop lighter lines around my butt, knees and in creases, but I couldn't tell if that was fading or just the colour rubbing off. I'm not sure if this type of black will ever fade. I also wonder if the indigo has different characteristics, and if it's maybe softer from the get-go. If I could swap them for Ciano's lighter black, I'd do it in an instant, but I guess I'm stuck with them, lines and all. if it's too much, you can certainly over-dye them black, and as that wears down it's likely the spin-fades will be less noticeable. Likely not a total loss, but it sounds like you're not a huge fan of them in the first place. I always machine wash, but inside out and the lowest possible spin on a front-loader. With a top loader I wouldn't spin at all, and would likely hand wash instead. Oh, and fading is just the color rubbing off.  |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Feb 15, 2016 15:22:05 GMT -6
MiddleAge , I do wear them hard, almost every day after work and more besides, but they just won't break in. They started to develop lighter lines around my butt, knees and in creases, but I couldn't tell if that was fading or just the colour rubbing off. I'm not sure if this type of black will ever fade. I also wonder if the indigo has different characteristics, and if it's maybe softer from the get-go. If I could swap them for Ciano's lighter black, I'd do it in an instant, but I guess I'm stuck with them, lines and all. As exo alluded to, if there are white lines just from washing, then this black denim will certainly fade. If they were reactive dyed, you could sandpaper them and not get any fades as the dye penetrates to the core of the fibers rather than just on the surface. Here, the washer agitation is rubbing the dye surface layer off, exposing the white undyed cotton underneath. |
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Post by MiddleAge on Feb 15, 2016 16:50:55 GMT -6
wdw If you are wearing them hard, don't worry about them. They will look fine in a month. Just inside out and no more spin cycle.
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Post by Griffin on Feb 16, 2016 2:16:31 GMT -6
Fading and "color rubbing off" isnt that the same thing?  I always spin cycle on 600 or so (lowest setting) and never have problems, but always inside out. Other people probably wont notice so its mainly for yourself if you feel like you can stand wearing them until good again. When I look around in a room I always see people having lines on their jeans. I did this to my first ever selvadge jeans and they also got intense 80`s stonewash look so I washed them with bleach many times and after a while the color was also like the 80`s light blue haha. They are now shorts. I wear them to Greece and stuff, they are clueless about denim anyways. If this happened to me now, I would totally bleech them white and kakibanzai them tobacco, so this is always a plan C to keep in mind |
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Post by wdw on Feb 16, 2016 2:42:52 GMT -6
Ha. When I said colour rubbing off I meant that it looked different to fading. The lines were pure white, with none of the shades of grey I might have expected as the fade progresses. It just looked a bit weird to my untrained eye. Considering these are blackxblack, I wasn't actually expecting any fading.
Anyway, I had a quick look before leaving this morning and the white lines and marks are back and it doesn't look good. It looks like a mess, and not the sort of thing you'd wear in public, so these will be relegated to house and garden jeans. But because they're pretty uncomfortable to wear, I guess they'll spend more time in the back of the cupboard now.
I'm annoyed with myself, but I'll be much more careful next time.
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Post by Griffin on Feb 16, 2016 7:47:14 GMT -6
pics?
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Post by whiskeyriver on Feb 16, 2016 9:31:05 GMT -6
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Post by Griffin on Feb 16, 2016 11:31:36 GMT -6
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Post by wdw on Feb 16, 2016 11:55:14 GMT -6
Ok guys, just home from work. Here's a couple of pics. Because it was so indistinct with the flash, I've increased the brightness and contrast to show the marks. There's a few fade lines I'd expect around the hips, but you'll see the long lines down the legs and also weird patches here and there. They're still pretty black in real life, but they couldn't be worn to the office now. Despite the two washes, they haven't shrunk much, so I'll keep at them and hope that eventually the marks become less distinct. This was the first wash, by the way, after quite heavy use for the last 3 or 4 months.   |
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Post by Old26 on Feb 16, 2016 12:08:58 GMT -6
Damn. Been there before, not not nearly that bad. Good news is that this type of looks seems to be on the comeback. |
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Post by wdw on Feb 16, 2016 12:12:58 GMT -6
I guess the stiffness of this denim doesn't help. At least this has made me read the IH guide to washing denim, so I know now what to do next time. And I won't wear decent denim when doing dirty work. |
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Post by Old26 on Feb 16, 2016 12:15:44 GMT -6
I guess the stiffness of this denim doesn't help. At least this has made me read the IH guide to washing denim, so I know now what to do next time. And I won't wear decent denim when doing dirty work. Heavier definitely fairs worse. FWIW, I did my 21's yesterday inside-out and they came out spectacularly... |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Feb 16, 2016 12:24:05 GMT -6
Ok guys, just home from work. Here's a couple of pics. Because it was so indistinct with the flash, I've increased the brightness and contrast to show the marks. There's a few fade lines I'd expect around the hips, but you'll see the long lines down the legs and also weird patches here and there. They're still pretty black in real life, but they couldn't be worn to the office now. Despite the two washes, they haven't shrunk much, so I'll keep at them and hope that eventually the marks become less distinct. This was the first wash, by the way, after quite heavy use for the last 3 or 4 months. Ouch. Yeah. Pretty rough. That long line is where the denim folded and stayed folded during the wash. I won't machine wash/dry denim because of its tendency to do that. |
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Post by ickes on Feb 16, 2016 12:38:44 GMT -6
That's a bummer wdw. I've machine washed the living hell out of my gustin okayama standards and heavy americans and I've never had this happen. Full spin cycle and everything. I definitely don't do it with my jeans that aren't work jeans though. |
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Post by Griffin on Feb 16, 2016 12:44:12 GMT -6
Thats intense. Means the fabric should fade pretty cool tho.
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Post by Old26 on Feb 16, 2016 12:51:37 GMT -6
Thats intense. Means the fabric should fade pretty cool tho. I think so too. Sure, they're "ruined" but I'd wash the sh*t out of them and wear them. At least to do chores, etc. Might find that they're more enjoyable than we think. And you could wear a dark blue shirt with them and the fades will break up the tux look some. BTW, I only washed/dried my 21's due to the size being too large in the ass. Bonus was that Gustin made them hella long. I was going to keep going on my no-wash routine I started with on the Jutes. But I had to try this, in spite of reading wdw post! |
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Post by exophobe on Feb 16, 2016 13:31:06 GMT -6
I think so too. Sure, they're "ruined" but I'd wash the sh*t out of them and wear them. At least to do chores, etc. Might find that they're more enjoyable than we think. And you could wear a dark blue shirt with them and the fades will break up the tux look some. BTW, I only washed/dried my 21's due to the size being too large in the ass. Bonus was that Gustin made them hella long. I was going to keep going on my no-wash routine I started with on the Jutes. But I had to try this, in spite of reading wdw post! I've found a wash can really quickly ease some of the problem areas for me on the straight fit. They generally tighten up all over, and only stretch back out where you need them to. |
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