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Post by jackgordon on Jan 28, 2015 6:08:03 GMT -6
I would. I've been thinking about the logistics of doing this in my 3rd floor apartment. I bet this stuff stains bathtubs.
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Post by wisdom on Jan 28, 2015 7:56:49 GMT -6
I would. I've been thinking about the logistics of doing this in my 3rd floor apartment. I bet this stuff stains bathtubs. Yeah.. I stained my bathtub with the stuff when dying my loomies. Scrubbing bubbles takes out a good bit of it, but some color sticks to certain surfaces. Best idea is to do it outside.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 9:33:42 GMT -6
Man....this thread is back.....time to do some more Kakishibu work..... jackgordon, in addition to all the tips etc in this thread, be sure you get some latex gloves  or risk having the weirdest brown hands for a week. |
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Post by jackgordon on Feb 17, 2015 2:32:46 GMT -6
Man....this thread is back.....time to do some more Kakishibu work..... jackgordon, in addition to all the tips etc in this thread, be sure you get some latex gloves or risk having the weirdest brown hands for a week. I'll be sure to get the latex gloves. I've had that look before from a girlfriend's tanning lotion and- I've said too much. I've been trying to track down some kakishibu here in Melbourne as I don't really feel like paying US$35 plus postage for an experiment that may go badly wrong. When I get my hands on some, I may try the paintbrush technique I saw some Japanese guys doing to some jeans in the street on a youtube video. It involves painting the kakishibu on with a paintbrush while listening to Woody Guthrie. I figured this would give me more control over the amount of dye I'm using, so maybe it could go a little further and I could afford to get the hang of it. Anyone tried the paintbrush? Pros/cons? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 22:03:17 GMT -6
I've seen some videos of Kapital jeans being dyed with a brush. It seems like it would work, but the one thing I noticed in the vid - the kakishibu looks pretty thick. Maybe they used less water? The mixing ratio I used per the directions made a watery soup but I'm just a hack and don't know any other way. It's also possible Woody Guthrie is a thickening agent. I'll do a side by side test next time I dye something.
I'm thinking about messing around with this stuff again but it won't be for a few weeks. Maybe I'll check those videos and try a brush.
As for sourcing the stuff, I did find it on Rakuten a couple months ago with a reasonable shipping fee to the US from Japan but I can't find the damn link again...might have decent rates to Australia as well.
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Post by Griffin on Apr 3, 2015 13:12:43 GMT -6
Anyone know where to get some dark indigo. I want to try and dye my Gustin ixi first run. As now after two washes they are disgustingly awful. They are grey and ugly. I want to get them dark again with fade potential since they fit kinda good and are of a good weight.
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Post by FourHorsemen on Apr 3, 2015 13:40:49 GMT -6
Anyone know where to get some dark indigo. I want to try and dye my Gustin ixi first run. As now after two washes they are disgustingly awful. They are grey and ugly. I want to get them dark again with fade potential since they fit kinda good and are of a good weight. Just curious, which IxI's do you have and how did you wash them? |
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Post by Griffin on Apr 3, 2015 13:48:24 GMT -6
actually second run. "we have been looking everywhere for more ixi and now we found it...." but still first type of ixi.
Had a Sheen like waxed jeans and did not fade just get shinier. Washed normal inside out as with all other Jeans.
Its not me, the pants contain no indigo. Was a big fuss on the G board about the silence over the fact also.
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Post by FourHorsemen on Apr 3, 2015 15:08:12 GMT -6
actually second run. "we have been looking everywhere for more ixi and now we found it...." but still first type of ixi. Had a Sheen like waxed jeans and did not fade just get shinier. Washed normal inside out as with all other Jeans. Its not me, the pants contain no indigo. Was a big fuss on the G board about the silence over the fact also. So, it's not the #166 (Italy) or #102 (Japan)? |
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Post by Griffin on Apr 4, 2015 0:03:18 GMT -6
#55 Japan indigo/indigo selvedge, 14.0oz, White ID
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Post by DigDug on Apr 26, 2015 21:29:44 GMT -6
Kakishibui or Natural Indigo? Got a good deal on a pair of Chuck 70's. They started out like clown shoes but I bleached them (they are more white then when this pic was taken)  How should I dye them? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 23:47:10 GMT -6
DigDug, I've been thinking about getting some optic white Chucks and treating them with Kakishibu. Indigo would look cool too but maybe too much indigo with indigo jeans? Your jeans would crock onto your shoes, then your shoes would crock back onto your jeans....you might create antimatter and all hell would break loose. I'm trying to figure out how to protect the sides of the soles from getting color. I've seen some dye jobs on Chucks and the only think I don't like is the way the soles sort of get "half dyed" and just look sloppy.
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Post by jackgordon on Apr 26, 2015 23:56:07 GMT -6
I'm trying to figure out how to protect the sides of the soles from getting color. I've seen some dye jobs on Chucks and the only think I don't like is the way the soles sort of get "half dyed" and just look sloppy. PVA glue? Or hang them up by the soles and paint it on. It'd be a shame if it bled right into the rubber. |
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Post by DigDug on Apr 26, 2015 23:58:12 GMT -6
DigDug, I've been thinking about getting some optic white Chucks and treating them with Kakishibu. Indigo would look cool too but maybe too much indigo with indigo jeans? Your jeans would crock onto your shoes, then your shoes would crock back onto your jeans....you might create antimatter and all hell would break loose. I'm trying to figure out how to protect the sides of the soles from getting color. I've seen some dye jobs on Chucks and the only think I don't like is the way the soles sort of get "half dyed" and just look sloppy. Came across these. http://instagram.com/p/bfROmPOhYh I was thinking that you could use painters tape, tape off the soles or maybe Vaseline as a protector. |
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Post by quick on Apr 27, 2015 0:03:35 GMT -6
natural indigo imo
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Post by wisdom on Apr 27, 2015 3:35:03 GMT -6
DigDug, I've been thinking about getting some optic white Chucks and treating them with Kakishibu. Indigo would look cool too but maybe too much indigo with indigo jeans? Your jeans would crock onto your shoes, then your shoes would crock back onto your jeans....you might create antimatter and all hell would break loose. I'm trying to figure out how to protect the sides of the soles from getting color. I've seen some dye jobs on Chucks and the only think I don't like is the way the soles sort of get "half dyed" and just look sloppy. Came across these. http://instagr.am/p/bfROmPOhYh I was thinking that you could use painters tape, tape off the soles or maybe Vaseline as a protector. Those kicks look badass.. full disclosure: I'm a well known homer for Kakishibu. Those shoes certainly weren't dipped, as the interiors haven't been dyed. I don't think it would be easy to mask the rubber parts, either. They probably applied the Kakishibu with a paintbrush.. multiple thin layers, perhaps. When we plated stuff, we often used vinyl tape to mask off border areas, even with uneven surfaces.. you could probably do the same, here. It's waterproof and makes clean borders. As long as you don't slather the stuff on, you should only have to mask about 1/4" along the boundary between the canvas and the area to be protected. Use a chopstick or something like that to "mash" the tape down on the surface, and it should protect it pretty well. I think Kakishibu would look more unique than indigo, personally.. |
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Post by DigDug on Apr 27, 2015 11:34:27 GMT -6
Couldn't make up my mind on either Indigo or kakishibu. So what the hell I'll do both! Just bought another pair at $20. wisdom what type of kakishibu have you used? I've seen dark,light and other variations of liquid. Is it as simple as painting on (or dipping)? And putting it in the sun? I'll need to read up on this. I want to also do a Tellason jacket. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 11:48:11 GMT -6
DigDug great project! if my tan tellason jacket doesn't sell i'll probably be giving it some persimmon love as well.
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Post by DigDug on Apr 27, 2015 11:56:41 GMT -6
DigDug great project! if my tan tellason jacket doesn't sell i'll probably be giving it some persimmon love as well. I figure I should do something with it. It seems like a color that would get dirty quick the way it is now. |
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Post by wisdom on Apr 27, 2015 15:50:43 GMT -6
Hey, DigDug .. I used the powdered kakishibu and mixed it up to the more concentrated end of the specification. My biggest issue was the smell.. the dye doesn't have a pleasant odor, but fades after a few rinses.. also, be patient with the color. I doubt it'll look like the IG pic after application, but will darken and deepen to that color with sun exposure. None of mine needed masking.. just a straight swirl and dry. Just be patient and let the dye expose for a few days to a week before giving up and doing a second coat. It darkens significantly though it starts out looking rather underwhelming. @stevekas could probably tell you a lot more about dyeing with this stuff, as he did the original experiment with his naturals. I've done a pair of loomies and some socks, undershirts, and boxers.. all pretty low risk and forgiving. kakishibuchris is the undisputed expert on kakishibu, and also a supplier of the stuff, so if you're doing anything really experimental, she's your best bet. |
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Post by DigDug on May 1, 2015 10:34:15 GMT -6
@stevekas how's your jeans looking now that they've had time to patina?
I'm thinking of doing a jacket but I don't want it to be orenge. Have they turned more of a leather, dark Tabacoo look. Or more of a mat new copper penny?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 11:42:14 GMT -6
Hey guys, sorry, I just saw the tags...not sure what happened there. My jeans are looking exactly how I'd hoped they would, they're a nutmeg brown kind of color with all the standard denim wear (whiskers and combs etc forming up). I can't post pics at this time as I've been packing to move and had to pick two jeans to rotate, everything else went into boxes. DigDug, what wisdom said is true, this stuff darkens with sun exposure, in some cases quite a bit. It's actually impossible to totally control and based on the fabric, the sunlight, the mix of kakishibu and minerals in your water supply and a bunch of other stuff that I don't understand (hows that for being an smarty pants jackass engineer lol). Best way to go is to do one application then put your shoes out in the sun for a few days to get some idea of the amount of darkening you'll get. Think of it like suntanning, be sure you turn them or they'll be darker on one side. The try a second application if you want and repeat....eventually they'll just sort of come out how they're going to come out. I do like the idea of a slightly stronger mix applied with a brush. The ideas posted here about masking off or using latex to protect the soles are a good idea. If you have something like a low adhesive caulk, that might be a great way to go as well. Just lay a bead around the edge of the sole, let it dry, do your painting and sun aging and then just roll the bead of caulk off. You guys have me thinking about doing some Vans or Chucks now....dammit.....I don't have time lol...I've got to get all the shop stuff packed in the next few weeks. I'm not sure if kakishibuchris still checks in here or not but she is a walking encyclopedia on this stuff and has forgotten more than I will ever know. You might try emailing her, give her time to respond though as she tends to have lots of things going on at any given time. She's really nice and is super enthusiastic about different projects. |
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Post by bentin on May 1, 2015 12:10:29 GMT -6
Funny, I'm moving next week otherwise I'd already be experimenting with some Clown Chucks. I'm eying some Madder Root at Amazon just for proverbial shits and giggles.
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Post by bentin on May 1, 2015 12:19:57 GMT -6
I suck at financial resposibility. I think I'll just buy the $60 Branch 70's on sale and a pair of white Pucell Sigs and terrorize them with indigo. Why spend $40 for one pair when you can spend $175 for two instead?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 16:11:39 GMT -6
Oh man....that's a right jab and a left uppercut to my self control. I want some Jack Purcells and the '70s all stars are so much better than the regular Chucks....and I don't need either. I am down to my last pair of sale hoard Grape Leaf colored Chucks though.
Also, thanks for the tip on Madder Root. Now I have to start messing with that too. Great. Hopefully I get drunk enough this evening to forget this.
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or risk having the weirdest brown hands for a week. 
