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Post by wisdom on Oct 16, 2014 9:40:42 GMT -6
Where'd that light grey photo come from that's on the first page of this thread. I'm afraid they're going to drop it and I won't be able to resist it despite my latest rant about getting the seasons all wrong. 26oz denim in the dead heat of summer is cruel! I'm expecting a peacoat launch in March. That said, the pretty direct design theft from Engineered Garments is rubbing me the wrong way -- I like how Gustin works which makes it sad when I see them cheapening (in my opinion) the brand by making low-cost replicas of in-production garments from their very expensive competitors. It's disingenuous, and not what American manufacturing resurgence should be about. I don't know, maybe I'm being too harsh when the denim industry is basically founded on a design stolen from Levi's, and maybe I'm hypocritical because of that, but for some reason with the CPO it feels wrong. TO me it just seems like, with jeans, you're distinguishing yourself in the cut. With outerwear, it seems you have to do more to distinguish yourself from the competition, and they haven't done that here? Am I on to something or am I rambling like an idiot? Hell, at least put your arm pocket on the other arm or something?! Swap the side the double pocket happens on? something! I don't know, I feel dumb having written down that a company that makes basic design shirts and denim is cheapening their brand by releasing what seems like a near-direct copy of another company's CPO, but the thing looks like it's being cut from the same patterns -- except for the scoop. Which I guess I'd be cool with if it was "Gustin x Engineered Garments", or in some way a collaboration that was acknowledged. Maybe the scoops are the design flourish I'm not giving enough attention... oh wait, nevermind, those are in there too. :/ I wrote something like this up yesterday and deleted it because I feel like I bitch too much, but today is a new day and the coffee is working on me  I think your post is on point. It's not that everyone who makes a CPO or jeans is ripping off the original when they make a version, when something is classic, it's an accepted thing to make a version. The difference here is the G version is directly ripping off a very specific and current competitors somewhat stylized version. Not cool and honestly I was surprised by the whole thing. Which one of you wants to drop this idea on the Gustin live feed? ..cue the MJ/Popcorn gif =) |
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Post by stinky on Oct 16, 2014 9:45:48 GMT -6
Which one of you wants to drop this idea on the Gustin live feed? ..cue the MJ/Popcorn gif =) It's not even worth it any more. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 9:51:33 GMT -6
3 cpo varieties are up. $139-$165
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 9:53:57 GMT -6
Where'd that light grey photo come from that's on the first page of this thread. I'm afraid they're going to drop it and I won't be able to resist it despite my latest rant about getting the seasons all wrong. 26oz denim in the dead heat of summer is cruel! I'm expecting a peacoat launch in March. That said, the pretty direct design theft from Engineered Garments is rubbing me the wrong way -- I like how Gustin works which makes it sad when I see them cheapening (in my opinion) the brand by making low-cost replicas of in-production garments from their very expensive competitors. It's disingenuous, and not what American manufacturing resurgence should be about. I don't know, maybe I'm being too harsh when the denim industry is basically founded on a design stolen from Levi's, and maybe I'm hypocritical because of that, but for some reason with the CPO it feels wrong. TO me it just seems like, with jeans, you're distinguishing yourself in the cut. With outerwear, it seems you have to do more to distinguish yourself from the competition, and they haven't done that here? Am I on to something or am I rambling like an idiot? Hell, at least put your arm pocket on the other arm or something?! Swap the side the double pocket happens on? something! I don't know, I feel dumb having written down that a company that makes basic design shirts and denim is cheapening their brand by releasing what seems like a near-direct copy of another company's CPO, but the thing looks like it's being cut from the same patterns -- except for the scoop. Which I guess I'd be cool with if it was "Gustin x Engineered Garments", or in some way a collaboration that was acknowledged. Maybe the scoops are the design flourish I'm not giving enough attention... oh wait, nevermind, those are in there too. :/ I wrote something like this up yesterday and deleted it because I feel like I bitch too much, but today is a new day and the coffee is working on me I think your post is on point. It's not that everyone who makes a CPO or jeans is ripping off the original when they make a version, when something is classic, it's an accepted thing to make a version. The difference here is the G version is directly ripping off a very specific and current competitors somewhat stylized version. Not cool and honestly I was surprised by the whole thing. i was thinking of this yesterday after seeing and then finding more of those photos. it's so close to the EG cpo that it seems impossible that they're not paying for it, like they bought the pattern or something. that's probably not the case...but it's hard to believe they'd rip it off so exactly. |
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Post by Old26 on Oct 16, 2014 10:11:38 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm surprised at the pricing on those. I still hold that the buttons distract. But I guess congrats for the price point.
Still no bigger sizes, so at least there is no temptation there...
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 10:23:06 GMT -6
I have to say, if they had finished it with the bottom of a car coat, I'd be all over it, not sold on the scoops with something I would absolutely only wear as a coat. Just love the look of that heather grey, but given my other complaints above, I don't know if I can justify backing it -- though if I recall, this is what, half to a third of the cost of the EG CPO?
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Post by Old26 on Oct 16, 2014 10:30:20 GMT -6
At least is shows shipping as "December". Would have been far better to have it ready by October, but at least it's out.
I think I could deal with the buttons on the "Bone and maybe the black model, but surely not the grey - they pop like a cheap suit.
Otherwise, it's a nice piece. Too many pockets, but I think if there were a 3XL, I'd try one.
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Post by DigDug on Oct 16, 2014 10:58:05 GMT -6
HBone sold out. Good for Gustin. Given the right fabrics (18oz Zim for example) people will back it.
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Post by Winterland on Oct 16, 2014 11:08:38 GMT -6
As I posted the G board I appreciate all the great pictures they finally had for a new release. Wish they had done that for all the work shirts. Glad they're getting into wool also. It does have a clean trim look to it, except all the pockets, but not my thing. I have a Columbia wool shirt/jacket that fits my need for a CPO. Camo too.  |
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Post by Griffin on Oct 16, 2014 11:15:02 GMT -6
I love the h-bone but they are just too long for me. Same size as the shirts and the shirt goes all the way to under my backpockets and it covers my entire front "zip". Basically a nightshirt length for me so there is just no way.
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Post by Griffin on Oct 16, 2014 11:18:25 GMT -6
I agree its a little busy, but I dont mind it since its a military style. In sweden we also had that pocket on the arm and we used it for a walkietalkie or a cellphone. Its a really great place to have it if your gonna work some in it like carrying heavy stuff and dont want the electronic to be squashed. So to me its a working design.
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Post by DigDug on Oct 16, 2014 11:29:58 GMT -6
I agree its a little busy, but I dont mind it since its a military style. In sweden we also had that pocket on the arm and we used it for a walkietalkie or a cellphone. Its a really great place to have it if your gonna work some in it like carrying heavy stuff and dont want the electronic to be squashed. So to me its a working design. I like an arm pocket for my phone. Closer to my ear to hear when using power tools and a bit easier to get out. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 11:35:09 GMT -6
So the EG comes at a premium $300 over what Gustin is offering. Seriously considering the heather grey cause I have no impulse control, and apparently no integrity.  |
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Post by ickes on Oct 16, 2014 11:44:04 GMT -6
Sorry guys, not trying to be a Debbie Downer here, but that thing is quite hideous IMO. It is the visual equivalent to nails on a chalkboard. My wallet is safe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 11:44:30 GMT -6
I just posted this over on the forum.
"So one the most (actually THE most IMO) critical dimension(s) in menswear is the shoulder width. It tells you where the shoulder seam will sit, this is crucial for a proper fit. Middle shoulder to sleeve end is a really useless measurement, especially if you have an athletic upper body with some shoulder width and upper back muscles.
Update the fit guide with shoulder width. It's in ALL the other garment fit guides. I don't even know how you guys are picking your size on these honestly. Just an observation, I don't have a horse in this race."
My token every few days post.....how are people picking the sizes on the CPO? I wouldn't be able to figure it out if I wanted to buy one. BTW they look pretty decent as far as build quality and I think a guy could carefully remove the arm pocket with a thread cutter and get away with it, particularly on the Hbone. Still not close to biting though, the rip off thing bugs me as do certain details.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 11:45:48 GMT -6
Ickes: yeah, but I won't go into what people said about the Japan Shine, to each their own. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 11:50:18 GMT -6
I just posted this over on the forum. "So one the most (actually THE most IMO) critical dimension(s) in menswear is the shoulder width. It tells you where the shoulder seam will sit, this is crucial for a proper fit. Middle shoulder to sleeve end is a really useless measurement, especially if you have an athletic upper body with some shoulder width and upper back muscles. Update the fit guide with shoulder width. It's in ALL the other garment fit guides. I don't even know how you guys are picking your size on these honestly. Just an observation, I don't have a horse in this race." My token every few days post.....how are people picking the sizes on the CPO? I wouldn't be able to figure it out if I wanted to buy one. BTW they look pretty decent and I think a guy could carefully remove the arm pocket with a thread cutter and get away with it, particularly on the Hbone. Still not close to biting though, the rip off thing bugs me as do certain details. Well, despite the intricacies of using measuring tools (especially in the UK, apparently), most people follow the instruction provided on the fit guides, measure a good fitting garment and pick the closest one to it -- and then if you follow the ickes method, you then size up one from there, and then you get a shirt that doesn't do weird stretching things at the top two buttons. They also mention on the CPO that they've sized it to allow a light garment underneath, so, a large probably pushed to compensate for an undershirt. Or, if you already have a shirt, and it fits, you do what they recommend and order your shirt size (as far as the CPO goes). |
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Post by ickes on Oct 16, 2014 11:50:27 GMT -6
Ickes: yeah, but I won't go into what people said about the Japan Shine, to each their own. not sure what you mean by this...I didn't like the Japan Shine either. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 11:51:52 GMT -6
and before you get mad at me for ignoring what you said about the fit guide, I totally misunderstood your last post.
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Post by Mattbert on Oct 16, 2014 11:59:09 GMT -6
Damn, the herringbone went quick. I had to go out and do some field work today. Just got back a little while ago and *poof* it's gone. I'm sitting on store credit that would have gotten me most of the way there on price, too. Bugger.
Gotta say, the CPO looks a lot better in some of the pics released today. Some I'm still a little "meh" and some I'm really into it. Based on the stuff that had come out earlier, I didn't think I was going to be bummed out if I missed it. But I am now.
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Post by ickes on Oct 16, 2014 12:00:21 GMT -6
and before you get mad at me for ignoring what you said about the fit guide, I totally misunderstood your last post. I'm not mad at you exophobe....wait, are you talking to me? I'm a bit confused right now: ) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 12:20:20 GMT -6
I just posted this over on the forum. "So one the most (actually THE most IMO) critical dimension(s) in menswear is the shoulder width. It tells you where the shoulder seam will sit, this is crucial for a proper fit. Middle shoulder to sleeve end is a really useless measurement, especially if you have an athletic upper body with some shoulder width and upper back muscles. Update the fit guide with shoulder width. It's in ALL the other garment fit guides. I don't even know how you guys are picking your size on these honestly. Just an observation, I don't have a horse in this race." My token every few days post.....how are people picking the sizes on the CPO? I wouldn't be able to figure it out if I wanted to buy one. BTW they look pretty decent as far as build quality and I think a guy could carefully remove the arm pocket with a thread cutter and get away with it, particularly on the Hbone. Still not close to biting though, the rip off thing bugs me as do certain details. feel the same...wish they'd publish a shoulder measurement for the jackets. not sure why they wouldn't. |
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Post by Vincent on Oct 16, 2014 13:15:00 GMT -6
I just posted this over on the forum. "So one the most (actually THE most IMO) critical dimension(s) in menswear is the shoulder width. It tells you where the shoulder seam will sit, this is crucial for a proper fit. Middle shoulder to sleeve end is a really useless measurement, especially if you have an athletic upper body with some shoulder width and upper back muscles. Update the fit guide with shoulder width. It's in ALL the other garment fit guides. I don't even know how you guys are picking your size on these honestly. Just an observation, I don't have a horse in this race." My token every few days post.....how are people picking the sizes on the CPO? I wouldn't be able to figure it out if I wanted to buy one. BTW they look pretty decent as far as build quality and I think a guy could carefully remove the arm pocket with a thread cutter and get away with it, particularly on the Hbone. Still not close to biting though, the rip off thing bugs me as do certain details. feel the same...wish they'd publish a shoulder measurement for the jackets. not sure why they wouldn't. I remember some time ago on reddit someone asked them why they don't list shoulders measurements and they replied : "Most brands don't". Which is weird because I can't think of a single brand who does NOT list shoulders measurements. This is the most important thing with chest measurement. |
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 16, 2014 13:24:37 GMT -6
Sorry guys, not trying to be a Debbie Downer here, but that thing is quite hideous IMO. It is the visual equivalent to nails on a chalkboard. My wallet is safe. I'm with you that to me is so far from a true CPO and more like a run way piece. I can see some Parisian wearing it with Chelsea boots and fashion sunglasses. No a WW2 CPO on the USS Arizona. |
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 16, 2014 13:25:21 GMT -6
I asked cody why he wouldn't get me shoulder measurements. He told me "most brands don't"
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I think your post is on point. It's not that everyone who makes a CPO or jeans is ripping off the original when they make a version, when something is classic, it's an accepted thing to make a version. The difference here is the G version is directly ripping off a very specific and current competitors somewhat stylized version. Not cool and honestly I was surprised by the whole thing.
