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Post by Vincent on Oct 16, 2014 13:29:01 GMT -6
Sorry guys, not trying to be a Debbie Downer here, but that thing is quite hideous IMO. It is the visual equivalent to nails on a chalkboard. My wallet is safe. I'm with you that to me is so far from a true CPO and more like a run way piece. I can see some Parisian wearing it with Chelsea boots and fashion sunglasses. No a WW2 CPO on the USS Arizona. Hey easy on the Parisian please I'm a Parisian but I wouldn't wear this CPO. Too much pockets.
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Post by Ambassador on Oct 16, 2014 13:43:27 GMT -6
I asked cody why he wouldn't get me shoulder measurements. He told me "most brands don't" I consider that as another "spit in the face", they just don't respect their customers. That's how measurements of the garment must be done, plus collar of course.
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 16, 2014 13:45:20 GMT -6
Once again I am not believing Gustin has the top of the line customer service like they did. It was very odd to me. Even a rep at Jcrew got me all measurements for their CPO wallace and Barnes label. Got my medium in today and it is amazing.
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Post by ickes on Oct 16, 2014 14:12:08 GMT -6
Brent how is the fit on the Wallace and barnes CPO? I read a review that said the body is extremely boxy and the sleeves are short. What's your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 14:12:09 GMT -6
I asked cody why he wouldn't get me shoulder measurements. He told me "most brands don't" goofy answer. even if it's true, why not try to get the measurements (which they should have) published...set themselves apart from those other brands, help the customers out, etc. no reason not to do it other than another measurement to be held to. it's not like they post one fit guide for pants, one for jackets, etc...they publish one for each type (jeans/chinos/chore/trucker/etc)...so it doesn't seem like it would be much more upkeep.
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Post by DigDug on Oct 16, 2014 14:13:48 GMT -6
I asked cody why he wouldn't get me shoulder measurements. He told me "most brands don't" I consider that as another "spit in the face", they just don't respect their customers. That's how measurements of the garment must be done, plus collar of course. I wouldnt say having all measurements listed or provided is industry standard. Filson has no measurements and won't provide any. But there return policy is very easy. It would seem that a shoulder measurement would be easy to provide on the fit guide though.
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Post by Ambassador on Oct 16, 2014 14:33:30 GMT -6
I asked cody why he wouldn't get me shoulder measurements. He told me "most brands don't" goofy answer. even if it's true, why not try to get the measurements (which they should have) published...set themselves apart from those other brands, help the customers out, etc. no reason not to do it other than another measurement to be held to. it's not like they post one fit guide for pants, one for jackets, etc...they publish one for each type (jeans/chinos/chore/trucker/etc)...so it doesn't seem like it would be much more upkeep. Yep, thats the way they work. That's answers about back rise: "We put more information on our fit guide than most brands. Our designer chose what specs needed to go on there. " and "We have never needed to put back rise measurements on the site"
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 14:48:47 GMT -6
Yep, thats the way they work. That's answers about back rise: "We put more information on our fit guide than most brands. Our designer chose what specs needed to go on there. " and "We have never needed to put back rise measurements on the site" Funny thing, that, I thought they did their own designing. Combine that with the EG debate, and it makes me wonder where they get their designs. You would think it'd be as simple as saying "hey designer, can I get the shoulder measurements for the design" since it's something I presume they provide to the shop making the garments. Not trying to be snarky, but combine that answer with the sizing issues, and the jokes write themselves. Presumably it's not as simple as J Crew or similar, cause they can't go measure a large CPO jacket since all the models seem to be about 5'6 / 140lbs and don't have a sample, but that should actually make it easier for them to provide this information since the model is dependant on having that information at hand, including QC. Okay, now I just feel like I'm being depressing, so I'm going to stop making such observations. The thing is, since their model dictates that we can't go check the fit out at a local shop, we're reliant on measurements to determine if we're going to have to return something or not. Since this is a two-three month process, it's a losing proposition to the customer if they don't provide measurements, since, if it is in spec and doesn't fit the customer, they return it for credit, and Gustin can then sell it in the stock store or to someone that can stop by their office for an increased price, due to their having maintained stock. And all this is an example of why you don't get combative with your customers. I love the Gustin clothing I have (except the Cone Pima Fires ), and I doubt that Cody is trying to be combative, but I've said before that this model is dependent upon trust, and if we don't have that, we all know the benefits of these nicer fabrics, and for a guaranteed fit, the premium pricing starts to be something you're willing to save for, instead of picking it up at a lower price and wondering if it'll come in where you expect it. It just upsets me to see so many people having bad experiences with a brand that I like and have had mostly good experience with, especially when it's a brand that shares many of my ideals.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 15:31:01 GMT -6
Gustin can then sell it in the stock store or to someone that can stop by their office for an increased price, due to their having maintained stock. agree with pretty much everything you said, but wanted to make a correction. according to what they've said, the stock isn't maintained by them in the office...rather returns and overrun items are sent to a fulfillment center off site. so i think you can only get stuff in the office that they happen to have on hand from photo shoots or product samples, etc.
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Post by davelewis on Oct 16, 2014 15:44:40 GMT -6
Its kind of funny that we're here groussing a bit over the CPOs. As I look around, we are the same guys that were prodding them to do this from day 1. We made LOTs of recommendation, you guys sent pics to the board, we mentioned brands we liked, etc, and when I see the finished product, it isn't want I expected. It just doesn't call out for me to buy it.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 16:01:47 GMT -6
Its kind of funny that we're here groussing a bit over the CPOs. As I look around, we are the same guys that were prodding them to do this from day 1. We made LOTs of recommendation, you guys sent pics to the board, we mentioned brands we liked, etc, and when I see the finished product, it isn't want I expected. It just doesn't call out for me to buy it. If it was hemmed more like a car coat and wasn't the exact design of the EG, I would have backed the heather grey this morning -- I'm still having trouble resisting backing it despite that, and I'm glad it's proving to be a hit. I don't know that I like the pockets, but I don't hold it against it, and I'd likely rip one of them off if I got one -- but not the arm, I like the arm pocket. If I were to say my ideal, it would probably have only the inside pocket, the arm pocket, and slash pockets for your hands, but then it'd be a totally different thing. I just wanted to put it here rather than go whine about it on their community page, since I don't think that would be fair, and I try not to be in the habit of going to a birthday party to insult the guest of honor. I want to reiterate, despite my complaints, I still love Gustin, and have a hell of a lot in the hopper. I think they're just hitting some growing pains that are making us all re-evaluate our relationship a little bit. Lets be honest, though, they're a heck of a lot more transparent than anyone else in the market segment (averaging price-point and garment quality). There isn't a day in the last few month or so that I haven't been wearing at least one Gustin garment, and I'm not embarrassed about that. Once the workshirts show up, I'm hoping I'll have a few more things I can be proud to wear. I haven't abandoned them, we're just seeing other people right now.
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Post by Derek G on Oct 16, 2014 16:11:40 GMT -6
I asked cody why he wouldn't get me shoulder measurements. He told me "most brands don't" Wow, I believe you Brent, But, damn, that seems so un-Cody like. We must have really pissed them off. I too was surprised that it's not a G original. That being said, here's what I posted on the g forum. My thoughts about the cpo. hmm...Just checking out the cpo. It sure is a beautiful piece, just not for me. The sleeve pocket, kinda turns me off, BUT, I can see it being useful as a place to put your phone, if you don't want to carry it in your pants pocket, and the way it's kinda off center would facilitate a quick draw/replace. On the side that has two pockets...I think if they were to switch them (Put the top one on the bottom, and the bottom one on top) It may balance things out a little. Just my 2cents fwiw.
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 16, 2014 16:30:14 GMT -6
I still have the email in my inbox. Basically it's not a standard measurement companies give out. Ironically it's the one you NEED to nail to ensure proper fit. You can tailor sleeves and waist but not shoulders!
Ickes - not boxy but bigger than a standard shirt say flannel. I have the size chart for the medium and large CPO for Wallace and Barnes from a jcrew rep. It's a little bigger since it's an "over shirt" but far from boxy like an army navy surplus store fidelity would be.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 16:32:25 GMT -6
I'm just gonna go completely non-sensical with it. I'd back the CPO but I refuse to own anything made of Canadian wool.
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Post by jray on Oct 16, 2014 16:47:27 GMT -6
I'm Canadian - what, you don't like our sheep?
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Post by cedarview on Oct 16, 2014 16:52:16 GMT -6
I've said before, I hate chest pockets and they look like shit when I have tried them on. Seems like all the heavier stuff I like ( chore coat, trucker, CPO) has pockets all over the front; are chest pockets de rigeur for any and all workwear inspired jackets?
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Post by cedarview on Oct 16, 2014 16:53:15 GMT -6
What's wrong with Canadian wool ?
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Post by davelewis on Oct 16, 2014 16:53:37 GMT -6
I still have the email in my inbox. Basically it's not a standard measurement companies give out. Ironically it's the one you NEED to nail to ensure proper fit. You can tailor sleeves and waist but not shoulders! Ickes - not boxy but bigger than a standard shirt say flannel. I have the size chart for the medium and large CPO for Wallace and Barnes from a jcrew rep. It's a little bigger since it's an "over shirt" but far from boxy like an army navy surplus store fidelity would be. Did he really think that you'd believe that, when you can look just about anywhere on the internet, and get a shoulder measurement.
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Post by jray on Oct 16, 2014 16:54:33 GMT -6
He doesn't like Canadian sheep
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Post by cedarview on Oct 16, 2014 16:58:11 GMT -6
Perhaps they jump the fence too easily.
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Post by matt on Oct 16, 2014 17:00:42 GMT -6
I understand each CPO jackets style varies, but the samples I was looking at didn't have the abundance of pockets on the front. I saw several options (Woolrich and other more vintage brands) with two symmetrical pockets on the front and maybe a sleeve option. I do agree that maybe if they realigned the front, it would be something I'd consider. I was never one of those "instabackers" for this or the beloved work shirts - I've been more wait and see on both. Is the varying pocket size/placement a "design element" that they are trying to adopt as the "Gustin style"? And I know a lot has been made of G's lack of awareness to their own products - maybe it can be best summed up by this business model: profit
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Post by ickes on Oct 16, 2014 18:01:50 GMT -6
I've said before, I hate chest pockets and they look like shit when I have tried them on. Seems like all the heavier stuff I like ( chore coat, trucker, CPO) has pockets all over the front; are chest pockets de rigeur for any and all workwear inspired jackets? cedarview; in regards to workwear for fashion, yes...pretty much. In regards to workwear for actual workwear, no...not necessarily. The jacket that was most commonplace for work wear that was used in auto shops going back to my grandpas generation (both my father and grandfather were/are mechanics) was the Eisenhower jacket (or Ike jacket). m.dickies.com/mens-clothing/mens-outerwear/Lined-Eisenhower-Jacket-TJ15.jspThese were everywhere in my family and were very common for workwear jackets in my region...still are. I don't know of any big fashion names making an Ike jacket for fashion purposes but Dickies, Red Kap, etc...have been making them for years. I would remove the patches (name tags, company name, etc..) and wear them to school growing up.
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 16, 2014 18:33:31 GMT -6
I was kinda put off he wouldn't get me shoulder measurements.
I have an unlined Ike jacket don't wear it much. Bit plain.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 18:45:17 GMT -6
I'd explain it, but then it might make sense, and defeat the purpose. I Really like the heather grey, and I might be able to come around to backing it cause I didn't see an EG version in that fabric, but there's enough I don't like that I'm not getting on it. I'd rather hang around and find something that really hits home in the same price range. I wouldn't be surprised to see something along those lines coming from Taylor stitch or one of the other brands touching on the workwear trend. I'm glad to see it doing really well for them, and that they're hitting what others are looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 20:20:22 GMT -6
and before you get mad at me for ignoring what you said about the fit guide, I totally misunderstood your last post. Mad? No way, even if you'd said "I totally disagree with your post, the fit guide is fine" I'd still buy you a beer.
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