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Post by brentkuz on Oct 15, 2014 12:50:06 GMT -6
Already posted my dislike for the CPO on the Gustin forum. I'm done over there rather be here. No anchor buttons, snaps instead of buttons, pockets scalloped, weird pockets, honestly who is going to use the arm pocket? Not sure on which wool they are using but doesn't look like 20-22oz Melton or kearsey wool. I'm glad I bought the Wallace and Barnes CPO. Much more original.
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 15, 2014 12:54:19 GMT -6
Oh and as stated it's just not a CPO a CPO is a standard issue item for a reason.
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Post by Mattbert on Oct 15, 2014 13:19:53 GMT -6
Funny thing is, said gaggle of pockets would come in really handy on the river; I could fit a couple small fly boxes and some leader and tippet material in there with no problem. Go light, leave the fishing vest at home, and be the most stylish guy on the water. In enormous rubber pants. Which kinda defeats the purpose. Back to the drawing board... and if you layer over it you lose access to your goofy arm pocket. no quick draw chapstick for you. You laugh, but my lips get raw whenever I travel to pretty much anywhere from Florida now. It's ridiculous. I had to break out some lip balm when I was up in the Pacific Northwest about six weeks ago, for crying out loud. And it was raining! But anyway, a CPO is not a layering piece in my world. Just like a work shirt; except I'd wear a coat over a work shirt, while a CPO is either the outermost layer or it's not part of the equation. If it's too cold for a CPO as the outermost layer, then the CPO stays in the closet that day. |
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 15, 2014 13:56:01 GMT -6
That just doesn't look like a CPO it's a Gustin jacket not shirt like a CPO really is.
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Post by Vincent on Oct 15, 2014 14:00:39 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 14:19:16 GMT -6
pretty sure that's the engineered garments cpo. here's another shot in what looks like a wool h.bone as well.  Edit: didn't see your additional link in the edit. guessing slightly different model years, some with the extra slots above the left chest pocket and this one without |
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Post by DigDug on Oct 15, 2014 14:29:34 GMT -6
Looks warm, Like the fabrics. Still one to many pockets. And I think I'd rather no scoop and gusset, just crop it .
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Post by Mattbert on Oct 15, 2014 14:37:23 GMT -6
Looks warm, Like the fabrics. Still one to many pockets. And I think I'd rather no scoop and gusset, just crop it . That's what I liked about the shot of the gusset on the Gustin CPO. That's a relatively shallow scoop, just enough to make it look like a shirt instead of a coat. Love the bar tacks as well.  |
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Post by DigDug on Oct 15, 2014 14:45:38 GMT -6
Looks warm, Like the fabrics. Still one to many pockets. And I think I'd rather no scoop and gusset, just crop it . That's what I liked about the shot of the gusset on the Gustin CPO. That's a relatively shallow scoop, just enough to make it look like a shirt instead of a coat. Love the bar tacks as well. Be kind of cool if the bar tacks were made with the Gustin red stitching. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 15:02:26 GMT -6
i'm a fan of the scoop/gusset.
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Post by stinky on Oct 15, 2014 15:55:10 GMT -6
I would not stand next to anyone who is wearing this pocket monster. In the fiction writing world, there's a concept known as "kill your darlings," or in other words, get rid of the things that you are just way too in love with. Someone was embarrassingly in love with these pockets. |
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Post by wisdom on Oct 15, 2014 18:06:53 GMT -6
What's everyone's best guess as to the price of the CPO drop tomorrow?
I'm guessing $175, but wouldn't pay more than $125..
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Post by Old26 on Oct 15, 2014 18:18:23 GMT -6
What's everyone's best guess as to the price of the CPO drop tomorrow? I'm guessing $175, but wouldn't pay more than $125.. -\Visdom $175-$225. Big range, I know, but I have fears that this one will go over... |
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 15, 2014 18:24:19 GMT -6
Anything over $120 is a rip. No way I'm backing it.
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Post by wisdom on Oct 15, 2014 18:30:24 GMT -6
What's everyone's best guess as to the price of the CPO drop tomorrow? I'm guessing $175, but wouldn't pay more than $125.. -\Visdom $175-$225. Big range, I know, but I have fears that this one will go over... Sad part about that is it'll fund in that range.. and probably before the next set of drops on Tuesday. If people will pay $175 for the Zim18's, they'll pay that (or more) for a wool CPO. Interesting dynamic over at the Gustin community these days.. new characters asserting their personalities and some similar quality issues cropping up (though they're new to them). |
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Post by DigDug on Oct 15, 2014 19:40:00 GMT -6
$175-$225. Big range, I know, but I have fears that this one will go over... Sad part about that is it'll fund in that range.. and probably before the next set of drops on Tuesday. If people will pay $175 for the Zim18's, they'll pay that (or more) for a wool CPO. Interesting dynamic over at the Gustin community these days.. new characters asserting their personalities and some similar quality issues cropping up (though they're new to them). I won't be surprised if the Gustin community page disappears some day. It's surved its purpose and with out the faithful (Kool Aid drinkers  posting its really a depressing place. It was a cool place with good info at one time, just sad. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 15, 2014 19:46:53 GMT -6
I want to see what it shows up at (price), but given where I am right now -- taste-wise and having a couple nice wool coats in the closet -- I'm honestly more likely to jump on the T&S chore coat in their workshop right now. I really think that the Gustin "CPO" coat looks great in that light-grey, though, just not something I'm really looking for right now. Especially if it hits something like 185+. If it lands somewhere around the price of the Chore coats or that T&S workshop coat (125-140), I'll be thinking about it, but unlikely to pull the trigger given the shipping interval.
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Post by ickes on Oct 15, 2014 20:06:05 GMT -6
Guys, I strongly urge you to employ my strategy of holding out for upcoming Taylor Stitch releases. TS releases some nice heavy shirts, flannels, and coats (like the project coat out now, mentioned above) for fall/winter. Lawless and TS will more than likely get all my fall/winter purchases. oh and speaking of CPOs and TS, this is what they released last winter; taylorstitch.com/blogs/archive/11586661-edition-140-maritime-shirt-jacketI've posted this before and I'm sure others have seen this, but this is how a CPO is done IMO. This is probably the one item I regret not purchasing more than any other. I had every opportunity to buy it as I logged on to TS the minute it was released but I over thought it, hesitated...convinced myself I didn't need it, and it was gone. Sold out in a few hours if I remember correctly. Unfortunately it is rumored that TS will not be releasing it again  |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 16, 2014 0:01:28 GMT -6
Where'd that light grey photo come from that's on the first page of this thread. I'm afraid they're going to drop it and I won't be able to resist it despite my latest rant about getting the seasons all wrong. 26oz denim in the dead heat of summer is cruel! I'm expecting a peacoat launch in March.
That said, the pretty direct design theft from Engineered Garments is rubbing me the wrong way -- I like how Gustin works which makes it sad when I see them cheapening (in my opinion) the brand by making low-cost replicas of in-production garments from their very expensive competitors. It's disingenuous, and not what American manufacturing resurgence should be about. I don't know, maybe I'm being too harsh when the denim industry is basically founded on a design stolen from Levi's, and maybe I'm hypocritical because of that, but for some reason with the CPO it feels wrong. TO me it just seems like, with jeans, you're distinguishing yourself in the cut. With outerwear, it seems you have to do more to distinguish yourself from the competition, and they haven't done that here? Am I on to something or am I rambling like an idiot? Hell, at least put your arm pocket on the other arm or something?! Swap the side the double pocket happens on? something!
I don't know, I feel dumb having written down that a company that makes basic design shirts and denim is cheapening their brand by releasing what seems like a near-direct copy of another company's CPO, but the thing looks like it's being cut from the same patterns -- except for the scoop. Which I guess I'd be cool with if it was "Gustin x Engineered Garments", or in some way a collaboration that was acknowledged. Maybe the scoops are the design flourish I'm not giving enough attention... oh wait, nevermind, those are in there too. :/
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Post by Vincent on Oct 16, 2014 5:57:32 GMT -6
Guys, I strongly urge you to employ my strategy of holding out for upcoming Taylor Stitch releases. TS releases some nice heavy shirts, flannels, and coats (like the project coat out now, mentioned above) for fall/winter. Lawless and TS will more than likely get all my fall/winter purchases. oh and speaking of CPOs and TS, this is what they released last winter; taylorstitch.com/blogs/archive/11586661-edition-140-maritime-shirt-jacketI've posted this before and I'm sure others have seen this, but this is how a CPO is done IMO. This is probably the one item I regret not purchasing more than any other. I had every opportunity to buy it as I logged on to TS the minute it was released but I over thought it, hesitated...convinced myself I didn't need it, and it was gone. Sold out in a few hours if I remember correctly. Unfortunately it is rumored that TS will not be releasing it again This CPO looks on point. I'm hoping they release again one day. By the way, I believe you're familiar with TS shirts. What's your TS size compared to Gustin ? |
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Post by usctroll on Oct 16, 2014 7:18:43 GMT -6
Guys, I strongly urge you to employ my strategy of holding out for upcoming Taylor Stitch releases. TS releases some nice heavy shirts, flannels, and coats (like the project coat out now, mentioned above) for fall/winter. Lawless and TS will more than likely get all my fall/winter purchases. oh and speaking of CPOs and TS, this is what they released last winter; taylorstitch.com/blogs/archive/11586661-edition-140-maritime-shirt-jacketNow that is a damn good looking shirt. I broke out my Woolrich shirt-jac in gray/black herringbone yesterday and can't imagine reaching for some over-pocketed abomination instead. |
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Post by kkozel on Oct 16, 2014 7:26:30 GMT -6
Guys, I strongly urge you to employ my strategy of holding out for upcoming Taylor Stitch releases. TS releases some nice heavy shirts, flannels, and coats (like the project coat out now, mentioned above) for fall/winter. Lawless and TS will more than likely get all my fall/winter purchases. oh and speaking of CPOs and TS, this is what they released last winter; taylorstitch.com/blogs/archive/11586661-edition-140-maritime-shirt-jacketI've posted this before and I'm sure others have seen this, but this is how a CPO is done IMO. This is probably the one item I regret not purchasing more than any other. I had every opportunity to buy it as I logged on to TS the minute it was released but I over thought it, hesitated...convinced myself I didn't need it, and it was gone. Sold out in a few hours if I remember correctly. Unfortunately it is rumored that TS will not be releasing it again The other thing to look at is TS is releasing what could be more of a wool peacoat? On their instagram about the workshop, they drop a hint about the coat. http://instagram.com/p/tTJCwLIsyw Apolis has something too, thats much better looking than Gustin's, but I'm still unsure if I think apolis is worth the cost. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 7:58:17 GMT -6
Where'd that light grey photo come from that's on the first page of this thread. I'm afraid they're going to drop it and I won't be able to resist it despite my latest rant about getting the seasons all wrong. 26oz denim in the dead heat of summer is cruel! I'm expecting a peacoat launch in March. That said, the pretty direct design theft from Engineered Garments is rubbing me the wrong way -- I like how Gustin works which makes it sad when I see them cheapening (in my opinion) the brand by making low-cost replicas of in-production garments from their very expensive competitors. It's disingenuous, and not what American manufacturing resurgence should be about. I don't know, maybe I'm being too harsh when the denim industry is basically founded on a design stolen from Levi's, and maybe I'm hypocritical because of that, but for some reason with the CPO it feels wrong. TO me it just seems like, with jeans, you're distinguishing yourself in the cut. With outerwear, it seems you have to do more to distinguish yourself from the competition, and they haven't done that here? Am I on to something or am I rambling like an idiot? Hell, at least put your arm pocket on the other arm or something?! Swap the side the double pocket happens on? something! I don't know, I feel dumb having written down that a company that makes basic design shirts and denim is cheapening their brand by releasing what seems like a near-direct copy of another company's CPO, but the thing looks like it's being cut from the same patterns -- except for the scoop. Which I guess I'd be cool with if it was "Gustin x Engineered Garments", or in some way a collaboration that was acknowledged. Maybe the scoops are the design flourish I'm not giving enough attention... oh wait, nevermind, those are in there too. :/ I wrote something like this up yesterday and deleted it because I feel like I bitch too much, but today is a new day and the coffee is working on me I think your post is on point. It's not that everyone who makes a CPO or jeans is ripping off the original when they make a version, when something is classic, it's an accepted thing to make a version. The difference here is the G version is directly ripping off a very specific and current competitors somewhat stylized version. Not cool and honestly I was surprised by the whole thing. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 16, 2014 8:13:13 GMT -6
Vincent; I am a Large in GUSTIN shirts and a 40 (M) in TS shirts.
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Post by Vincent on Oct 16, 2014 8:18:49 GMT -6
Vincent; I am a Large in GUSTIN shirts and a 40 (M) in TS shirts. Cool, thanks. |
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