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Post by brentkuz on Nov 8, 2014 16:01:34 GMT -6
My biggest issue with Lawless is the tight fit. I can only wear the slim straight and still the thighs are tight.
Love the fabric and construction but they looks a little too tight. Thighs, top block area. IMO too tight as thighs really won't stretch too much. 25 in Gusin to 23 in lawless is a big cut in inches for thighs.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 8, 2014 16:09:02 GMT -6
They definitely fit me like skinny jeans, but I have tree trunk thighs! With so many pairs of jeans I hope I can give these the time they need. It might depend on how much the wifey really likes them Yes they are def slim. They don't look like a skinny cut shape but because you have muscular he man legs you are likely a straight cut guy with Lawless. i have simialr issues. I feel bad they turned out to skinny for you.
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Post by jray on Nov 8, 2014 16:11:34 GMT -6
My G's are slim and the thighs stretched at least 1 inch on my oke's
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Post by wisdom on Nov 8, 2014 16:12:54 GMT -6
My biggest issue with Lawless is the tight fit. I can only wear the slim straight and still the thighs are tight. Love the fabric and construction but they looks a little too tight. Thighs, top block area. IMO too tight as thighs really won't stretch too much. 25 in Gusin to 23 in lawless is a big cut in inches for thighs. Yeah.. the cuts all seem rather slim, but that's their baseline cut for the slim straights, as that's what it looks like most people have ordered. The cool thing about Lawless, though, is their customizability. I'm sure if you sent in some preferences and measurements, they'd tailor your product to be perfect for you. This is why I'm more focused on construction at this point.. I probably went a little nuts with the number of things I've ordered and may regret not having the discipline to figure out my sizing with a few items first, but feel that once my sizing is figured out with them, they're gonna be my go when it comes to clothing. So far, Derek G's waxed cones have been, in my opinion, the ultimate fit.. I think everyone can achieve this, though, when they dial in their measurements.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 8, 2014 16:18:38 GMT -6
My biggest issue with Lawless is the tight fit. I can only wear the slim straight and still the thighs are tight. Love the fabric and construction but they looks a little too tight. Thighs, top block area. IMO too tight as thighs really won't stretch too much. 25 in Gusin to 23 in lawless is a big cut in inches for thighs. Thats the benefit of our semi custom capabilities. If a 12inch thigh is to tight then bump it up to what you need. If the cut overall seams to have slimmer measurements than we like then change to the next cut. I looked at the Lawless slim cuts and immediately said Ok I cant do those just like I cant do a Levis 511 anylonger so I go with 501 because thats what looks good on me. We just need to be aware of trhe measurements and not base what we buy because we wear a slim straight with another brand. Each brand has their own interpretations on what slim or straight is. If we are sewing key measurements up to small then we need to address that and make sure we also make adjustments
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 8, 2014 16:20:20 GMT -6
My biggest issue with Lawless is the tight fit. I can only wear the slim straight and still the thighs are tight. Love the fabric and construction but they looks a little too tight. Thighs, top block area. IMO too tight as thighs really won't stretch too much. 25 in Gusin to 23 in lawless is a big cut in inches for thighs. Yeah.. the cuts all seem rather slim, but that's their baseline cut for the slim straights, as that's what it looks like most people have ordered. The cool thing about Lawless, though, is their customizability. I'm sure if you sent in some preferences and measurements, they'd tailor your product to be perfect for you. This is why I'm more focused on construction at this point.. I probably went a little nuts with the number of things I've ordered and may regret not having the discipline to figure out my sizing with a few items first, but feel that once my sizing is figured out with them, they're gonna be my go when it comes to clothing. So far, Derek G's waxed cones have been, in my opinion, the ultimate fit.. I think everyone can achieve this, though, when they dial in their measurements. Yes he did size right I also thought David hit it pretty well.
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Post by univibe88 on Nov 8, 2014 16:29:02 GMT -6
I want to be constructive here, and I certainly hope you won't be offended my friend ...The knee down looks like they are a straight fit, but, because you didn't give Roman your true size, from the knee up, looks way too small. That said, I understand that your going for stretch, but, I keep tellin' you guys that Roman and team take stretch/give into consideration, depending on the denim you choose. I think you'd be happier with them if you would have used your true waist size. I Hope the jeans will stretch out to where you want them univibe88 , I do hope I haven't offended, that was not my intention, and I hope your not mad at me. Either way, if your happy, then I'm happy for you bud EDIT I do thank you for your review and the pics No offense taken at all. I think the conversation here will help everyone with future orders. FWIW, I did give Roman my true waist size. My waist is 36, the jeans are 36 and the waist band/top button fits perfectly. The problem is that we didn't talk about any of the other measurements and they just came out slimmer than I prefer. I believe the disconnect may have been when I told him that I like my jeans to start snug and stretch. I was referring ONLY to the waist size. I did not want him to take my waist measurement of 36" and add in 1" plus of ease. I wanted to start with a true 36". But I think he took my comment to mean I wanted the entire top block snug, which is what I ended up with.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 8, 2014 17:44:12 GMT -6
I want to be constructive here, and I certainly hope you won't be offended my friend ...The knee down looks like they are a straight fit, but, because you didn't give Roman your true size, from the knee up, looks way too small. That said, I understand that your going for stretch, but, I keep tellin' you guys that Roman and team take stretch/give into consideration, depending on the denim you choose. I think you'd be happier with them if you would have used your true waist size. I Hope the jeans will stretch out to where you want them univibe88 , I do hope I haven't offended, that was not my intention, and I hope your not mad at me. Either way, if your happy, then I'm happy for you bud EDIT I do thank you for your review and the pics No offense taken at all. I think the conversation here will help everyone with future orders. FWIW, I did give Roman my true waist size. My waist is 36, the jeans are 36 and the waist band/top button fits perfectly. The problem is that we didn't talk about any of the other measurements and they just came out slimmer than I prefer. I believe the disconnect may have been when I told him that I like my jeans to start snug and stretch. I was referring ONLY to the waist size. I did not want him to take my waist measurement of 36" and add in 1" plus of ease. I wanted to start with a true 36". But I think he took my comment to mean I wanted the entire top block snug, which is what I ended up with. I think it is also our job to be sure about what our customers want. The fact that we are not conventional in that we dont have jeans made we can measure like a Gustin, makes it imperative we and the customer are on the same page. We will work on this moving forward and stress to the customer what we need to know EDIT: I mean we are similar to Gustin in that we sell then make
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Post by wdw on Nov 8, 2014 18:03:07 GMT -6
Hi univibe88. I'm sorry they didnt come out as hoped for, and share your pain as I've had a couple of similar things with Gustin.
Did you get an answer as to why they came out so short? A 2.5" shortfall is a crazy number and just not something I could live with.
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Post by roman on Nov 8, 2014 19:55:08 GMT -6
I want to be constructive here, and I certainly hope you won't be offended my friend ...The knee down looks like they are a straight fit, but, because you didn't give Roman your true size, from the knee up, looks way too small. That said, I understand that your going for stretch, but, I keep tellin' you guys that Roman and team take stretch/give into consideration, depending on the denim you choose. I think you'd be happier with them if you would have used your true waist size. I Hope the jeans will stretch out to where you want them univibe88 , I do hope I haven't offended, that was not my intention, and I hope your not mad at me. Either way, if your happy, then I'm happy for you bud EDIT I do thank you for your review and the pics No offense taken at all. I think the conversation here will help everyone with future orders. FWIW, I did give Roman my true waist size. My waist is 36, the jeans are 36 and the waist band/top button fits perfectly. The problem is that we didn't talk about any of the other measurements and they just came out slimmer than I prefer. I believe the disconnect may have been when I told him that I like my jeans to start snug and stretch. I was referring ONLY to the waist size. I did not want him to take my waist measurement of 36" and add in 1" plus of ease. I wanted to start with a true 36". But I think he took my comment to mean I wanted the entire top block snug, which is what I ended up with. Hi univibe88, Send those jeans back and we will get you the correct inseam. Send me exactly what you would like, size, fit and inseam and we will take care of it.
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Post by roman on Nov 8, 2014 19:57:51 GMT -6
Hi univibe88. I'm sorry they didnt come out as hoped for, and share your pain as I've had a couple of similar things with Gustin. Did you get an answer as to why they came out so short? A 2.5" shortfall is a crazy number and just not something I could live with. Wdw, I don't have an answer on the inseam. I have to say I have never missed an inseam by 2.5". maybe .5" or but never 2.5" something must have gotten mixed up in the process. either way our error so we will take care of it.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 8, 2014 20:09:02 GMT -6
This is why I know Roman went above and beyond with all those Yelp reviews.
We may be Law-less but we aren't scam-artist.
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Post by univibe88 on Nov 8, 2014 20:45:16 GMT -6
Hi univibe88. I'm sorry they didnt come out as hoped for, and share your pain as I've had a couple of similar things with Gustin. Did you get an answer as to why they came out so short? A 2.5" shortfall is a crazy number and just not something I could live with. Wdw, I don't have an answer on the inseam. I have to say I have never missed an inseam by 2.5". maybe .5" or but never 2.5" something must have gotten mixed up in the process. either way our error so we will take care of it. Roman, I am humbled by your offer and even embarrassed - I feel like I wasn't clear about what I wanted yet you are going to make me more jeans???
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 8, 2014 21:05:59 GMT -6
Wdw, I don't have an answer on the inseam. I have to say I have never missed an inseam by 2.5". maybe .5" or but never 2.5" something must have gotten mixed up in the process. either way our error so we will take care of it. Roman, I am humbled by your offer and even embarrassed - I feel like I wasn't clear about what I wanted yet you are going to make me more jeans??? Well you were supposed to get a pair of jeans you can actually wear. I wish you the most perfect fitting jeans & fades of glory
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Post by roman on Nov 8, 2014 21:08:42 GMT -6
Wdw, I don't have an answer on the inseam. I have to say I have never missed an inseam by 2.5". maybe .5" or but never 2.5" something must have gotten mixed up in the process. either way our error so we will take care of it. Roman, I am humbled by your offer and even embarrassed - I feel like I wasn't clear about what I wanted yet you are going to make me more jeans??? It's no good my friend unless you can wear them. We will do this till they are right. As long as you are willing to work with us we will not stop till it's right. It goes way beyond the money. It's about you getting a product you can be proud of, the rest will come.
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Post by univibe88 on Nov 8, 2014 21:12:35 GMT -6
Roman, I am humbled by your offer and even embarrassed - I feel like I wasn't clear about what I wanted yet you are going to make me more jeans??? It's no good my friend unless you can wear them. We will do this till they are right. As long as you are willing to work with us we will not stop till it's right. It goes way beyond the money. It's about you getting a product you can be proud of, the rest will come. Amazing. Simply amazing. I am happy to work with you and will be thrilled with the end result. Again, I am so grateful!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 21:16:40 GMT -6
It's no good my friend unless you can wear them. We will do this till they are right. As long as you are willing to work with us we will not stop till it's right. It goes way beyond the money. It's about you getting a product you can be proud of, the rest will come. Amazing. Simply amazing. I am happy to work with you and will be thrilled with the end result. Again, I am so grateful! Can you send us an email to info@lawlessdenim.com? I'd like to send you a return shipping label via email pdf but I need you first and last name. Thank you!
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Post by roman on Nov 8, 2014 21:19:43 GMT -6
My pleasure friend.
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Post by univibe88 on Nov 8, 2014 21:25:09 GMT -6
Amazing. Simply amazing. I am happy to work with you and will be thrilled with the end result. Again, I am so grateful! Can you send us an email to info@lawlessdenim.com? I'd like to send you a return shipping label via email pdf but I need you first and last name. Thank you! What??? That's above and beyond. I'll email you now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 21:27:44 GMT -6
Can you send us an email to info@lawlessdenim.com? I'd like to send you a return shipping label via email pdf but I need you first and last name. Thank you! What??? That's above and beyond. I'll email you now. Perfect. Thank you!
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Post by Mattbert on Nov 8, 2014 21:50:38 GMT -6
Mattbert Also how is the back pocket stitching around the pockets? I cant tell if there needs some cleaning up with that It's not perfect. Anyone who insists on comparing it to what you see on a pair of jeans costing 4-5x as much will be able to find fault with it. Nor is it bad or careless or obviously and embarrassingly awry. If you want to bring it to the attention of the sewers as an area where there's room for improvement, I think that would be reasonable. It's nothing that anyone should get an earful over, though. Let me put it this way: I'm not concerned at all about the two pairs I have on order.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 8, 2014 22:17:44 GMT -6
Mattbert Also how is the back pocket stitching around the pockets? I cant tell if there needs some cleaning up with that It's not perfect. Anyone who insists on comparing it to what you see on a pair of jeans costing 4-5x as much will be able to find fault with it. Nor is it bad or careless or obviously and embarrassingly awry. If you want to bring it to the attention of the sewers as an area where there's room for improvement, I think that would be reasonable. It's nothing that anyone should get an earful over, though. Let me put it this way: I'm not concerned at all about the two pairs I have on order. I spoke to Roman about it and he is well aware and will make necessary adjustments if possible. One of the things he mentioned which makes sense is Lawless uses Vintage single needle machines which causes a second run to complete the 2nd row of stitching
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Post by wdw on Nov 8, 2014 23:37:38 GMT -6
Sounds like an excellent result for univibe88 and also for Lawless in showing that they'll get things right no matter what.
That sort of customer support is obviously what brings people back and what gives the consumer confidence that their money will be well spent. I've seen the same approach from Aero Leather, where we're talking $1,000+ jackets, and that's a big reason why I always buy there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 23:46:03 GMT -6
Mattbert Also how is the back pocket stitching around the pockets? I cant tell if there needs some cleaning up with that It's not perfect. Anyone who insists on comparing it to what you see on a pair of jeans costing 4-5x as much will be able to find fault with it. Nor is it bad or careless or obviously and embarrassingly awry. If you want to bring it to the attention of the sewers as an area where there's room for improvement, I think that would be reasonable. It's nothing that anyone should get an earful over, though. Let me put it this way: I'm not concerned at all about the two pairs I have on order. This is how I would describe a few of the askew stitches on my pair as well...and no concerns, only more anticipation for my upcoming pairs
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Post by Derek G on Nov 9, 2014 1:57:42 GMT -6
Mattbert Also how is the back pocket stitching around the pockets? I cant tell if there needs some cleaning up with that It's not perfect. Anyone who insists on comparing it to what you see on a pair of jeans costing 4-5x as much will be able to find fault with it. Nor is it bad or careless or obviously and embarrassingly awry. If you want to bring it to the attention of the sewers as an area where there's room for improvement, I think that would be reasonable. It's nothing that anyone should get an earful over, though. Let me put it this way: I'm not concerned at all about the two pairs I have on order. Agree wholeheartedly Mattbert... even on a pair of Momos or christophe ,Immogene+Willie...no matter the brand, you name it. no matter how much they cost, send me a pair... and I can guarantee, that I could find some small fault in them...even in my noobishness. roman and @laura ....I'm at a loss for words....The conversation happening here is above and beyond...You two know how much I respect what your doing and how much I want to help....but all this is just....idk...I've never seen such care about the customer...I may as well say friends, because that's how you make me feel anyways...It's just awesome. Forgive me for sounding like a fanboi....but, that is what I am, because you EARNED it. Just to let you know...that is hard to get from me...as I am anti social, anti commercial, anti most things....I should have been born in Missouri...because you gotta "show me" to earn my respect...and you have done that, along with the folks on this board...(big hugs all around) I love you guyz And to any guests that are lurking...(I know you hard ass reddit and sufu and style forum folks are seeing this) These words are from the heart...I'm just a regular, blue collar guy from Ohio that stumbled upon Lawless, backed a pair and was blown away by what I received...I'm not working for Roman, or getting anything in return from posting my glowing reviews about Roman and Lawless denim, nor do i want, or expect anything....My words are true blue as the indigo on your $300+ jeans...I just believe in Roman and what he's doing...He has bent over backwards for us...and I will do the same for him anyway I can. No bullshit and no bollocks...these are my true feelings and thoughts and respect for him...It's more about the man, his thoughts and vision, than the effing denim. Roman, feel free to use these words anywhere, for whatever, if it can be of any benefit to Lawless. absolutely and sincerely ...Derek G
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