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Post by gaseousclay on Jan 30, 2016 21:26:43 GMT -6
I like arbitrary hatred as much as the next guy (looking at you, buffalo plaid, VAT and crooked shirts) but why the AE hate? Decent GYW construction, some US finishing and Horween leather. For the money, there isn't really a good comparison. I've largely migrated on from buying new ones, but still have three pair that should last me to retirement. " It's adapt or die. Would people really rather see them close down? They employ Americans and make a good product. Nobody wants to see any company shut down but I don't agree that AE makes a good product when put along side Alden. I know that Alden has experienced QC issues, but I don't think it's on the scale that AE has, otherwise AE wouldn't have the shoebank to offload hundreds or even thousands of pairs of shoes. My theory is that because AE is non-Union and because they mass produce everything there will be more mistakes. Compared to Alden whom employs Union workers and likely does smaller runs. Union workers have very specific skill sets that they've learned for years, but I wouldn't be surprised if older workers are retiring and a new generation are coming in to carry on the craft. I'm pretty neutral when it comes to Unions but I can see why AE might make more mistakes. Reminds me of the NFL a few years back when the Union refs wanted better wages. The NFL decided to play hardball and they brought in a bunch of inexperienced refs who botched a bunch of calls that effected the outcome of the game. |
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Post by devastitis on Jan 30, 2016 21:37:01 GMT -6
" It's adapt or die. Would people really rather see them close down? They employ Americans and make a good product. Nobody wants to see any company shut down but I don't agree that AE makes a good product when put along side Alden. I know that Alden has experienced QC issues, but I don't think it's on the scale that AE has, otherwise AE wouldn't have the shoebank to offload hundreds or even thousands of pairs of shoes. My theory is that because AE is non-Union and because they mass produce everything there will be more mistakes. Compared to Alden whom employs Union workers and likely does smaller runs. Union workers have very specific skill sets that they've learned for years, but I wouldn't be surprised if older workers are retiring and a new generation are coming in to carry on the craft. I'm pretty neutral when it comes to Unions but I can see why AE might make more mistakes. Reminds me of the NFL a few years back when the Union refs wanted better wages. The NFL decided to play hardball and they brought in a bunch of inexperienced refs who botched a bunch of calls that effected the outcome of the game. But their QC at least catches flaws enough to send it to the Shoebank. Alden probably has a similar percentage of seconds, but just because they don't churn out that many shoes/variety of shoes compared to AE, the seconds list will be significantly smaller. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Jan 30, 2016 21:43:30 GMT -6
Nobody wants to see any company shut down but I don't agree that AE makes a good product when put along side Alden. I know that Alden has experienced QC issues, but I don't think it's on the scale that AE has, otherwise AE wouldn't have the shoebank to offload hundreds or even thousands of pairs of shoes. My theory is that because AE is non-Union and because they mass produce everything there will be more mistakes. Compared to Alden whom employs Union workers and likely does smaller runs. Union workers have very specific skill sets that they've learned for years, but I wouldn't be surprised if older workers are retiring and a new generation are coming in to carry on the craft. I'm pretty neutral when it comes to Unions but I can see why AE might make more mistakes. Reminds me of the NFL a few years back when the Union refs wanted better wages. The NFL decided to play hardball and they brought in a bunch of inexperienced refs who botched a bunch of calls that effected the outcome of the game. But their QC at least catches flaws enough to send it to the Shoebank. Alden probably has a similar percentage of seconds, but just because they don't churn out that many shoes/variety of shoes compared to AE, the seconds list will be significantly smaller. It's definitely a numbers game but the only place that sells Alden seconds, that I know of, is TSM, and those seconds lists are pretty small. I'm signed up for their list in sizes 8.5 and 9 and when I get those emails I'm usually presented with a dozen, maybe a couple dozen at best and those sell out pretty fast. I'm talking about scale and AE can be found everywhere, whereas Alden cannot |
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Post by devastitis on Jan 30, 2016 21:47:24 GMT -6
But their QC at least catches flaws enough to send it to the Shoebank. Alden probably has a similar percentage of seconds, but just because they don't churn out that many shoes/variety of shoes compared to AE, the seconds list will be significantly smaller. It's definitely a numbers game but the only place that sells Alden seconds, that I know of, is TSM, and those seconds lists are pretty small. I'm signed up for their list in sizes 8.5 and 9 and when I get those emails I'm usually presented with a dozen, maybe a couple dozen at best and those sell out pretty fast. I'm talking about scale and AE can be found everywhere, whereas Alden cannot I'm signed up for that as well, and my last list I received at the beginning of this month, and for 9D only, was 30 pairs. And their seconds are about the same price as AE shell seconds. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 22:06:28 GMT -6
Isn't AE a different price point than Alden? I'd guess also much lower production numbers.
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Post by bentin on Jan 30, 2016 22:57:01 GMT -6
Isn't AE a different price point than Alden? I'd guess also much lower production numbers. If you consider half the price much lower, than yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 23:08:11 GMT -6
Apples and oranges then. AE sells all their seconds in one place versus scattering them out, making it look like a high number. What I've heard of their seconds are still a good shoe.
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Post by whiskeyriver on Jan 31, 2016 0:54:41 GMT -6
I didn't know AE and Alden made chinos.
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Post by devastitis on Jan 31, 2016 1:20:17 GMT -6
I didn't know AE and Alden made chinos. AE sells pants heh. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Jan 31, 2016 1:48:40 GMT -6
Isn't AE a different price point than Alden? I'd guess also much lower production numbers. If you consider half the price much lower, than yes. Although, Alden has routinely increased their prices for the last couple of years |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Jan 31, 2016 7:28:56 GMT -6
I didn't know AE and Alden made chinos. AE sells pants heh. Oh lord hideous. But now we're back on track! Thanks! Haha. |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 31, 2016 11:46:15 GMT -6
Alden also has seconds as any place would.
AE has a much larger production than Alden.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 12:42:17 GMT -6
These look interesting. Very little in stock though.  |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 31, 2016 12:44:13 GMT -6
These look interesting. Very little in stock though. The only question I have is whether or not they're anything like the trousers soldiers wore in WWII. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 12:48:36 GMT -6
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Post by gaseousclay on Jan 31, 2016 16:01:48 GMT -6
Oh lord hideous. But now we're back on track! Thanks! Haha. What marketing genius gave it the name "Charisma" jeans? Will they get me laid like the 3 wolf Moon tee? |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Jan 31, 2016 16:03:17 GMT -6
Oh lord hideous. But now we're back on track! Thanks! Haha. What marketing genius gave it the name "Charisma" jeans? Will they get me laid like the 3 wolf Moon tee? Yes...duuuh. |
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Post by quick on Jan 31, 2016 16:31:47 GMT -6
can IH make a heavy tapered khaki chino please?
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Post by devastitis on Jan 31, 2016 16:55:02 GMT -6
can IH make a heavy tapered khaki chino please? Why not buy it and then get it tapered? |
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Post by devastitis on Jan 31, 2016 16:55:57 GMT -6
Alden also has seconds as any place would. AE has a much larger production than Alden. TL;;DR'ed, didn't you. |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 31, 2016 17:15:31 GMT -6
Alden also has seconds as any place would. AE has a much larger production than Alden. TL;;DR'ed, didn't you. What? |
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Post by devastitis on Jan 31, 2016 18:26:05 GMT -6
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Post by ickes on Jan 31, 2016 18:43:41 GMT -6
can IH make a heavy tapered khaki chino please? They make a tapered chino. I posted it somewhere a while back. |
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Post by ickes on Jan 31, 2016 18:46:13 GMT -6
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Post by ickes on Jan 31, 2016 18:47:57 GMT -6
It's in a dark khaki though.
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