Denimio

[bentin]

Good grief, most Japan Blues are down to $104 and Momotaros are $178. Seems like an absurdly silly time to be caught in a 90 day spending freeze. Just saying.

[Deleted]

Jun 23, 2015 9:51:51 GMT -6 bentin said:

Good grief, most Japan Blues are down to $104 and Momotaros are $178. Seems like an absurdly silly time to be caught in a 90 day spending freeze. Just saying.

Can't access their website.  Keeps giving me 502 Bad Gateway errors.

[bentin]

Just trying to save you from yourself.

[Deleted]

Jun 23, 2015 10:06:48 GMT -6 bentin said:

Just trying to save you from yourself.

I just accessed the website and all I can say is, "WTF?!"  Momotaro indigoxblacks without the stupid stripes for $179?!  Shizzzz. 

[bentin]

Jun 24, 2015 8:29:41 GMT -6 devastitis said:

Jun 23, 2015 10:06:48 GMT -6 bentin said:

Just trying to save you from yourself.

I just accessed the website and all I can say is, "WTF?!"  Momotaro indigoxblacks without the stupid stripes for $179?!  Shizzzz. 

Sorry, I'll call Dennis Rodman and see if his people can knock the site back down.

[whiskeyriver]

Not that I am in the market currently, but where in tarnation do you select your size on that site?

[bruns]

Just a quick question, has anyone had to pay extra to customs on orders from Japan (or Denimio in particular, if it makes a difference)? I'm living overseas (I'm English but live in Tbilisi) but can't have things delivered here (Paypal is weird, cards won't accept an alternate billing address), so use a forwarding service in the USA. Denimio have a custom order for me and weighing up my options. Thanks!

[bugula]

they send via EMS - i've never had customs issues with it.

[david2403]

Sept 3, 2015 13:36:27 GMT -6 bugula said:

they send via EMS - i've never had customs issues with it.

I've never had a problem. I've ordered several things but none in the past 3 or 4 months.

[bruns]

bugula david2403 Thanks, may give it a go then.

[jeffrx]

My name starts with a J, therefore, the cap is mine (along with a PBJ T-shirt)

www.denimio.com/japan-blue-10oz-classic-denim-cap.html

[jeffrx]

Decent prices on Denimio folks, with free shipping if you spend about $100, which is great.

[gaseousclay]

Think ill be ordering from Denimio next. I noticed the PBJ deep indigo jacket on their site is $267 compared to OD which is $250. A lot of their other stuff is cheaper than OD though.

[scooter]

With the ongoing discussions about retailers, and pricing, I found this read a bit interesting.....

I have a good idea who the "anonymous" retailer is. But, I'll keep that to myself, as well. It seems pretty obvious to me, anyway.

[gaseousclay]

Feb 6, 2016 16:32:05 GMT -6 scooter said:

With the ongoing discussions about retailers, and pricing, I found this read a bit interesting.....

I have a good idea who the "anonymous" retailer is. But, I'll keep that to myself, as well. It seems pretty obvious to me, anyway.

That article is old and yeah, it's been established who some of these retailers are. My one and only problem with the strong arm tactics used by these retailers is that it's anti-free market and essentially establishes a monopoly on goods from Japan. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have worked with the exception of brands like The Strike Gold.

Besides, there are still retailers in the US that are carrying Japanese brands like PBJ, Studio D'artisan, etc., like BOW and Mild Blend Supply. It's up to the consumer where they spend their money, not the retailer. The stores that have the best customer service are the ones that will have loyal customers (like BOW).

[scooter]

Feb 6, 2016 20:15:34 GMT -6 gaseousclay said:

Feb 6, 2016 16:32:05 GMT -6 scooter said:

With the ongoing discussions about retailers, and pricing, I found this read a bit interesting.....

I have a good idea who the "anonymous" retailer is. But, I'll keep that to myself, as well. It seems pretty obvious to me, anyway.

That article is old and yeah, it's been established who some of these retailers are. My one and only problem with the strong arm tactics used by these retailers is that it's anti-free market and essentially establishes a monopoly on goods from Japan. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have worked with the exception of brands like The Strike Gold.

Besides, there are still retailers in the US that are carrying Japanese brands like PBJ, Studio D'artisan, etc., like BOW and Mild Blend Supply. It's up to the consumer where they spend their money, not the retailer. The stores that have the best customer service are the ones that will have loyal customers (like BOW).

Yes, the article is 1.5 years old, but I figured not everyone has read it.

The Strike Gold is a brand established by Klax-on. Tenryo is a sister brand. The Klax-on and Star-foot stores ( rakuten ) are company stores. I bought my SG2109 from Klax-on, last May. As far as I know, they are still selling to US customers, at Japan pricing. In some way, it would seem, they have managed to make it profitable for SE to carry their product, while continuing to sell through their own stores.

[exophobe]

[bugula]

Feb 6, 2016 20:56:43 GMT -6 scooter said:

In some way, it would seem, they have managed to make it profitable for SE to carry their product, while continuing to sell through their own stores.

some are better at business than others...

[gaseousclay]

Feb 6, 2016 20:56:43 GMT -6 scooter said:

Feb 6, 2016 20:15:34 GMT -6 gaseousclay said:

That article is old and yeah, it's been established who some of these retailers are. My one and only problem with the strong arm tactics used by these retailers is that it's anti-free market and essentially establishes a monopoly on goods from Japan. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have worked with the exception of brands like The Strike Gold.

Besides, there are still retailers in the US that are carrying Japanese brands like PBJ, Studio D'artisan, etc., like BOW and Mild Blend Supply. It's up to the consumer where they spend their money, not the retailer. The stores that have the best customer service are the ones that will have loyal customers (like BOW).

Yes, the article is 1.5 years old, but I figured not everyone has read it.

The Strike Gold is a brand established by Klax-on. Tenryo is a sister brand. The Klax-on and Star-foot stores ( rakuten ) are company stores. I bought my SG2109 from Klax-on, last May. As far as I know, they are still selling to US customers, at Japan pricing. In some way, it would seem, they have managed to make it profitable for SE to carry their product, while continuing to sell through their own stores.

You're right, I believe you can still buy SG's direct but there's only one retailer in the US that sells them. Some will prefer buying locally because of the return factor and the piece of mind it provides after dropping 3 bills on jeans, but others want to avoid the middle man altogether

[scooter]

Checking the prices, there is about $100 difference between Klax-on and SE. SE, @ $335, has customs duties and shipping included. From personal experience, I do know, Klax-on lists full price on customs documents. It's 16.6% for duties, if customs is so inclined ( I lucked out on that ). It's another 2400 jpy for shipping. Rough estimate $290. Factor in easier returns, for sizing or qc issues, it may justify the SE premium. If you're not concerned with the return, and willing to bet on the ineptitude of a government agency, you may save $80-$90. Any way you look at it, they may have found a happy medium.

[scooter]

Feb 6, 2016 21:10:10 GMT -6 bugula said:

Feb 6, 2016 20:56:43 GMT -6 scooter said:

In some way, it would seem, they have managed to make it profitable for SE to carry their product, while continuing to sell through their own stores.

some are better at business than others...

Good to see you back from your break. All is well ?

[devastitis]

Feb 6, 2016 20:56:43 GMT -6 scooter said:

Feb 6, 2016 20:15:34 GMT -6 gaseousclay said:

That article is old and yeah, it's been established who some of these retailers are. My one and only problem with the strong arm tactics used by these retailers is that it's anti-free market and essentially establishes a monopoly on goods from Japan. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have worked with the exception of brands like The Strike Gold.

Besides, there are still retailers in the US that are carrying Japanese brands like PBJ, Studio D'artisan, etc., like BOW and Mild Blend Supply. It's up to the consumer where they spend their money, not the retailer. The stores that have the best customer service are the ones that will have loyal customers (like BOW).

Yes, the article is 1.5 years old, but I figured not everyone has read it.

The Strike Gold is a brand established by Klax-on. Tenryo is a sister brand. The Klax-on and Star-foot stores ( rakuten ) are company stores. I bought my SG2109 from Klax-on, last May. As far as I know, they are still selling to US customers, at Japan pricing. In some way, it would seem, they have managed to make it profitable for SE to carry their product, while continuing to sell through their own stores.

I don't know.  I see a few flaws in this logic. Both Klax-on and Self-Edge sell Strike Gold products, but I'm not sure if they make most of their profit from Strike Gold sales, at least I know SE does not.  Both sell a bunch of things from different brands, and make their money from all those brands.  If SE dropped SG, I wouldn't expect them to close up shop soon after.  It may make a dent in their sales, but it's not going to be devastating.  As long as SE can hold margin on a product, they will sell it.  But that doesn't necessarily mean it's very profitable, or profitable enough to keep SE in business.  With IH, you can't cut out IHUK (the middle man in this scenario) because Giles and IHUK is Iron Heart.  The products he came up with, coupled with Haraki's crazy attention to detail and quality, makes IH as desirable as it is.  If Rebirth were to sell directly from Japan to westerners, that would undercut Giles, and there's absolutely no way they would ever do that.  Klax-on/Strike Gold don't have that, and sell at a much smaller scale, so they can go whichever direction they want.  Has very little to do with being better at business.

[Deleted]

All this pricing/profit talk just leads me to think I'll try and stick with MIUSA.

[gaseousclay]

Feb 7, 2016 13:48:43 GMT -6 @61scout said:

All this pricing/profit talk just leads me to think I'll try and stick with MIUSA.

I don't know. Denimio and Okayama Denim have very good prices w/free shipping. I can't really blame US retailers for their huge mark up on Japanese goods when you factor in duties & shipping. But, these companies will still have to compete against one another unless they're each carrying exclusive brand collabs (like BOW).

[gaseousclay]

on a side note, I wish Pronto Denim did online sales. they seem to do a lot of interesting denim collabs that most of us would drool over. I came across a PBJ collab they did via IG and the leaf on the rear pocket had gold stitching. looked pretty cool.