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Post by exophobe on Feb 4, 2015 15:13:33 GMT -6
Yeah, the Mk7 is back to Mexico (which isn't a bad thing, Mecican made VW's have scored better customer satisfaction ratings than German made ones for years). US cars also lose the dual mode injection and have standard Direct Injection only. Also lose the LED tails and get a different e-brake lever and bigger cup holders.  (About the last stuff, not too worried about the Mexico thing.) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 15:15:12 GMT -6
If I hadn't driven lesser models a few times, I'd LOL! at that. But honestly, I want to go test drive one when they're on the lot. That blue looks nice too - and blues are hard to do right. You can't have that blue. Jerks. It was the color they used on the new GT. It looks great, but again, you can't have it. I did find a thread on VW Vortex funny when someone said they would never drive a Ford it was pointed out that the Focus RS is made in Germany while the GTI is hecho en Mexico. funny. when i was in australia earlier this year i drove a 10yr old german build ford fiesta from brisbane to the gold coast. that thing was shockingly tight, torquey, and fun to rev up around the mountain passes searching for some hiking spots. |
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Post by exophobe on Feb 4, 2015 21:59:29 GMT -6
Well this is cool. I didn't see the reveal of the RS was available online a couple days ago, but they go through the history and origins of the RS line. Some ugly Fords in there, but at least the RS always has something going on. Dude has to yell when the RS200 drives in. Group B FOREVER!  |
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Post by exophobe on Feb 4, 2015 22:03:28 GMT -6
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Post by exophobe on Feb 4, 2015 22:17:00 GMT -6
and to point out the obvious, Ken Block is a terrible actor.
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Post by shoneyb on Apr 10, 2015 11:56:13 GMT -6
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Post by brentkuz on Apr 10, 2015 12:06:36 GMT -6
If the supra is a spin off the new RC I'll be insanely disappointed. That RC had so much promise and they left it as an underpowerd heavy car.
What's the difference between a 500,700, 900 horsepower supra?
Nothing they all run in the 11's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 12:18:28 GMT -6
If the supra is a spin off the new RC I'll be insanely disappointed. That RC had so much promise and they left it as an underpowerd heavy car. What's the difference between a 500,700, 900 horsepower supra? Nothing they all run in the 11's. I love the collab, and the Supra in white may very well be my next car purchase, depending on what they price it at. Either that, or a low end Tesla in navy. |
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Post by exophobe on Apr 10, 2015 13:57:50 GMT -6
I was hoping the new Supra would be a fire-breathing version of the BRZ/FRS with a twin-turbo 6-cylinder jammed into that little RWD chassis, which it sort of looks like that could be. If BMW is providing the power, I don't see that being far outside the realm of possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 22:57:06 GMT -6
I was hoping the new Supra would be a fire-breathing version of the BRZ/FRS with a twin-turbo 6-cylinder jammed into that little RWD chassis, which it sort of looks like that could be. If BMW is providing the power, I don't see that being far outside the realm of possibility. I'm looking at more of the AWD model, so I'm hoping they do an AWD version. RWD is hell during the winter. Power is beautiful, but useless when the roads are covered in snow. |
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Post by brentkuz on Apr 12, 2015 20:07:29 GMT -6
RWD is fine. It's about tires and good driving. Heck people drove in the winter for decades with mostly RWD.
I really did hope the new Supra would be a frs with a large turbo 6. Oh well.
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Post by Winterland on Apr 12, 2015 20:12:25 GMT -6
RWD is fine. It's about tires and good driving. Heck people drove in the winter for decades with mostly RWD. I really did hope the new Supra would be a frs with a large turbo 6. Oh well. People did drive in winter with real wheel drive because it's almost all there was. Living in Minnesota I would not have a rear wheel drive car for the winter ever again. Front wheel drive or all wheel drive, it's night and day. Just driving in the summer is a different story. Would love to have a rear wheel drive muscle car again someday. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 21:25:48 GMT -6
RWD is fine. It's about tires and good driving. Heck people drove in the winter for decades with mostly RWD. I really did hope the new Supra would be a frs with a large turbo 6. Oh well. I'll have to disagree. I have a fwd Lexus, and when I had to drop it off in the shop for repairs, they loaned me a Hyundai Genesis rwd. The first day was a lot of fun, gunning it up and down the roads. The second day it snowed and iced over, and I thought I was going to die. No rwd for me unless it's a weekend car. |
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Post by bentin on Apr 13, 2015 1:31:17 GMT -6
It has more to do with tires than which end is driven. I bet that Hyundai Genesis was on summer tires. SUV's and Audis are the first thing to go flying off the roads when it ices here. Over confidence in awd seems universal.
Weight distribution plays a huge part too. Most fwd cars have 65% of their weight on the driven wheels, outside of a 911, not many rwd cars are that biased to the back. A 911 on snow tires is mighty impressive as a ski car though.
I'd take any rwd car on snow tires over any awd car on all seasons. Summer tires are downright scary when it's freezing out, snow and ice just make it worse.
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Post by metals37 on Apr 13, 2015 4:16:25 GMT -6
It has more to do with tires than which end is driven. I bet that Hyundai Genesis was on summer tires. SUV's and Audis are the first thing to go flying off the roads when it ices here. Over confidence in awd seems universal. Weight distribution plays a huge part too. Most fwd cars have 65% of their weight on the driven wheels, outside of a 911, not many rwd cars are that biased to the back. A 911 on snow tires is mighty impressive as a ski car though. I'd take any rwd car on snow tires over any awd car on all seasons. Summer tires are downright scary when it's freezing out, snow and ice just make it worse. +1 I'll take a rwd car with winter tires over an awd vehicle with all (no) season tires any day. Just get a second set of rims and some good winter tires. I just swapped out my wheels and tires last weekend. The other thing you can do (on some cars) is downsize the wheel so you can have a taller winter tire. So my winters are 205/55 R16 whereas my summers are 235/35 R17. The extra height on the winter tires makes for a more comfortable drive during a time when the driving conditions are generally worse. Plus the narrower tire, ironically, functions better on snow and ice. |
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Post by Old26 on Apr 13, 2015 6:11:03 GMT -6
It has more to do with tires than which end is driven. I bet that Hyundai Genesis was on summer tires. SUV's and Audis are the first thing to go flying off the roads when it ices here. Over confidence in awd seems universal. Weight distribution plays a huge part too. Most fwd cars have 65% of their weight on the driven wheels, outside of a 911, not many rwd cars are that biased to the back. A 911 on snow tires is mighty impressive as a ski car though. I'd take any rwd car on snow tires over any awd car on all seasons. Summer tires are downright scary when it's freezing out, snow and ice just make it worse. +1 I'll take a rwd car with winter tires over an awd vehicle with all (no) season tires any day. Just get a second set of rims and some good winter tires. I just swapped out my wheels and tires last weekend. The other thing you can do (on some cars) is downsize the wheel so you can have a taller winter tire. So my winters are 205/55 R16 whereas my summers are 235/35 R17. The extra height on the winter tires makes for a more comfortable drive during a time when the driving conditions are generally worse. Plus the narrower tire, ironically, functions better on snow and ice. I feel the same as you guys. Grew up driving my cars in that hellacious 70's eastern snow. My first two cars were '69 Mustang Mach 1 (351) and a '69 Z/28 (302). The Z/28 was seriously built for speed, but I had a set of winter (studded) tires on steely rims and well, I've never enjoyed driving as much as I did back then. I feel like I have way more control with RWD and I agree that modern tech has made "driving" (and riding motorcycles too) a lot less reliant upon skill. Yeah, I hesitated to post this as I knew I'd get the "you're an old man" shit. But that's me. Gimme untamed HP at the rear wheels. I'll steer, thank you. |
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Post by brentkuz on Apr 13, 2015 7:58:05 GMT -6
RWD is fine. It's about tires and good driving. Heck people drove in the winter for decades with mostly RWD. I really did hope the new Supra would be a frs with a large turbo 6. Oh well. I'll have to disagree. I have a fwd Lexus, and when I had to drop it off in the shop for repairs, they loaned me a Hyundai Genesis rwd. The first day was a lot of fun, gunning it up and down the roads. The second day it snowed and iced over, and I thought I was going to die. No rwd for me unless it's a weekend car. The Genesis do not have winter tires. I have no gripes with my cadillac with all seasons for light to medium snow. The wrangler comes out for the rest of the blizzards and really bad days. |
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Post by brentkuz on Apr 13, 2015 8:25:02 GMT -6
I've had plenty of wrong wheel drive cars that couldn't catch traction at all in snow.
Even a solid AWD car with snow tires can have issues with snow if it's deep due to low clearance issues.
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Post by brentkuz on Apr 13, 2015 8:28:01 GMT -6
+1 I'll take a rwd car with winter tires over an awd vehicle with all (no) season tires any day. Just get a second set of rims and some good winter tires. I just swapped out my wheels and tires last weekend. The other thing you can do (on some cars) is downsize the wheel so you can have a taller winter tire. So my winters are 205/55 R16 whereas my summers are 235/35 R17. The extra height on the winter tires makes for a more comfortable drive during a time when the driving conditions are generally worse. Plus the narrower tire, ironically, functions better on snow and ice. I feel the same as you guys. Grew up driving my cars in that hellacious 70's eastern snow. My first two cars were '69 Mustang Mach 1 (351) and a '69 Z/28 (302). The Z/28 was seriously built for speed, but I had a set of winter (studded) tires on steely rims and well, I've never enjoyed driving as much as I did back then. I feel like I have way more control with RWD and I agree that modern tech has made "driving" (and riding motorcycles too) a lot less reliant upon skill. Yeah, I hesitated to post this as I knew I'd get the "you're an old man" shit. But that's me. Gimme untamed HP at the rear wheels. I'll steer, thank you. I feel that way too. I almost ragret buying the cadillac. So msny computers and electronics I'm bored with it. It's a numb feeling. Honestly one of the reasons I'm looking for a classic car to resto right now. Give me a 4 barrel, 4spd and a solid rear end. That's all I want |
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Post by bentin on Apr 13, 2015 8:58:54 GMT -6
Yep, I can't get excited about the new M3/M4 or similar and am thinking of just keeping my reliable daily and adding a 2002 or a GTV to the garage. Easy to work on, reasonable track cars and still fast enough to run with traffic. Worst case, I'll just throw an LS7 in it.  |
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Post by bentin on Apr 13, 2015 9:28:32 GMT -6
Related to the recent bent of this thread, that Alfa will disappear in a faint orange cloud if driven in snow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 10:44:32 GMT -6
Everything you guys say makes sense and probably is true. I understand that specific tires will be better for specific weather, more so if it's RWD/FWD/AWD. But as a non-enthusiast, who doesn't have an extra set of tires for each type of weather, and is only looking to get from point A to point B, it'll have to be FWD or AWD, with all season tires.
For my daily driver, I'm more interested in reliability, low maintenance and inexpensive to maintain, and enough power when I need it.
If I get a second car as a weekender, then I'll look more into what you guys are talking about. A lot of good info though for a car newbie like me.
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Post by metals37 on Apr 13, 2015 13:03:10 GMT -6
I get what you are saying devastitis but my counter would be that for most people your car is the 2nd most expensive single ticket item you own (after wherever you live). You can get a set of winter tires and rims from TireRack.com for most cars for ~$600. You need to replace your tires with some frequency anyway. Just food for thought. |
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Post by bentin on Apr 13, 2015 13:16:52 GMT -6
When I worked in Frankfurt, it was the law that you had winter tires for the winter (bizarre, right?!) and the majority of cars had steel wheels through winter, including M Cars, AMG (pronounced Ahh Emm Gay, just for the record) and Porsches. It was so nice when spring rolled around and silver wheels and clean cars made their return.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 13:22:25 GMT -6
When I worked in Frankfurt, it was the law that you had winter tires for the winter (bizarre, right?!) and the majority of cars had steel wheels through winter, including M Cars, AMG ( pronounced Ahh Emm Gay, just for the record) and Porsches. It was so nice when spring rolled around and silver wheels and clean cars made their return. Part of me thinks you're playing us non-Germans. |
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