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Post by whiskeyriver on Jan 25, 2016 11:28:19 GMT -6
So, back to favorite brands... Denim: Oni, IH, Flathead Casual Shirts: Taylor Stitch, J.Crew Dress Shirts: Brooks Brothers Dress Pants: Brooks Brothers, J.Crew Khakis: Gustin, J.Crew (I also love my Duck Head Cramertons that I had tapered and hemmed) Jackets: Barbour Boots: Alden Sneakers: New Balance, Converse Dress shoes: Allen Edmonds Socks: Darn Tough Belt: Marshdown Knit Hat: 4C We need to get you out of that BB stuff. So many better options. Having said that, I just blew out an elbow on a BB shirt I'd had for 20 years. Damn thing wouldn't die. Yeah, I know they're kinda lame haha. That said, their supima cotton dress shirts are preeeety sweet. |
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Post by bentin on Jan 25, 2016 11:32:57 GMT -6
Just make sure you skip the non iron. Nothing like formaldehyde to coddle yourself in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 12:13:05 GMT -6
Did I start this debate just by bringing up my Shinola? I blame you! Bwahahahaha. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 12:22:40 GMT -6
I remember the upswell of Japanese imports in the early seventies.
A few things happened then that aren't now.
1) A lot of people got upset. (Everywhere were "be American buy American" bumper stickers.
2) our government worked with and created laws to encourage USA manufacturing (look at how many JP car factories are here now)
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Post by Old26 on Jan 25, 2016 12:33:53 GMT -6
I remember the upswell of Japanese imports in the early seventies. A few things happened then that aren't now. 1) A lot of people got upset. (Everywhere were "be American buy American" bumper stickers. 2) our government worked with and created laws to encourage USA manufacturing (look at how many JP car factories are here now) Yeah, I have no issues with other countries building nice factories here and building cars. Totally ironic that US brands can't or won't, but look at the large numbers of US workers employed in Japanese and Korean factories here. A job is a job I guess at the end of the day. You can only be upset if you're happy buying a sub-par vehicle just because it's "made here". I think the US makers have tightened things up, so it's not as clear-cut now, but there were a couple decades where I would NOT buy a new American car... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 12:48:08 GMT -6
No doubt about it. Crap is crap no matter where it comes from.
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Post by bentin on Jan 25, 2016 12:49:21 GMT -6
I remember the upswell of Japanese imports in the early seventies. A few things happened then that aren't now. 1) A lot of people got upset. (Everywhere were "be American buy American" bumper stickers. 2) our government worked with and created laws to encourage USA manufacturing (look at how many JP car factories are here now) Yeah, I have no issues with other countries building nice factories here and building cars. Totally ironic that US brands can't or won't, but look at the large numbers of US workers employed in Japanese and Korean factories here. A job is a job I guess at the end of the day. You can only be upset if you're happy buying a sub-par vehicle just because it's "made here". I think the US makers have tightened things up, so it's not as clear-cut now, but there were a couple decades where I would NOT buy a new American car... That's just it. Honda or MB putting a factory here does a lot more good than a few Shinola execs sending manufacturing to another country. |
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Post by devastitis on Jan 25, 2016 13:28:00 GMT -6
Yeah, I have no issues with other countries building nice factories here and building cars. Totally ironic that US brands can't or won't, but look at the large numbers of US workers employed in Japanese and Korean factories here. A job is a job I guess at the end of the day. You can only be upset if you're happy buying a sub-par vehicle just because it's "made here". I think the US makers have tightened things up, so it's not as clear-cut now, but there were a couple decades where I would NOT buy a new American car... That's just it. Honda or MB putting a factory here does a lot more good than a few Shinola execs sending manufacturing to another country. Which was brentkuz's point. They only have a small presence here to take advantage of the "Made in America" selling point, when most of what they do is abroad. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 13:37:16 GMT -6
Like they are the only ones. Don't hate the player hate the game. Honda never opened a single factory out of the kindness of their hearts. Not so long ago we wouldn't have willingly let Chinese goods into the country. I don't remember ever seeing made in Russia on anything. Oh yah, stay off my lawn!  ? |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 25, 2016 13:46:15 GMT -6
Exactly what my point was bentin devastitisA new toyota factory in middle america will creat many more jobs than a US corporate HQ but manufacturing over seas. I truly feel the more entry level or low skill jobs the better. Idle hands. |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 25, 2016 13:47:53 GMT -6
Although I do hope the so called "chicken tax" on small foreign trucks gets taken care of. Man I love small pickup trucks.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 25, 2016 13:47:53 GMT -6
Like they are the only ones. Don't hate the player hate the game. Honda never opened a single factory out of the kindness of their hearts. Not so long ago we wouldn't have willingly let Chinese goods into the country. I don't remember ever seeing made in Russia on anything. Oh yah, stay off my lawn! ? Russia made plenty of stuff, just nothing worth importing. Except vacuum tubes, they did good work with those. |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 25, 2016 13:51:57 GMT -6
Exactly what my point was bentin devastitis A new toyota factory in middle america will creat many more jobs than a US corporate HQ but manufacturing over seas. I truly feel the more entry level or low skill jobs the better. Idle hands. Did Shinola stop manufacturing all their stuff in Detroit? I understand the watch movement, but they were also building bicycles and other stuff, if I remember right. The videos showed them machining watch casings, and making leather goods by hand in Detroit. |
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Post by bentin on Jan 25, 2016 13:54:47 GMT -6
Like they are the only ones. Don't hate the player hate the game. Honda never opened a single factory out of the kindness of their hearts. Not so long ago we wouldn't have willingly let Chinese goods into the country. I don't remember ever seeing made in Russia on anything. Oh yah, stay off my lawn! ? Russia made plenty of stuff, just nothing worth importing. Except vacuum tubes, they did good work with those. And cheap titanium. Handy for cyclists before carbon took off. |
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Post by bentin on Jan 25, 2016 14:01:39 GMT -6
Exactly what my point was bentin devastitis A new toyota factory in middle america will creat many more jobs than a US corporate HQ but manufacturing over seas. I truly feel the more entry level or low skill jobs the better. Idle hands. Did Shinola stop manufacturing all their stuff in Detroit? I understand the watch movement, but they were also building bicycles and other stuff, if I remember right. The videos showed them machining watch casings, and making leather goods by hand in Detroit. Sounds similar to my old M Coupe, which was assembled in South Carolina, but the engine, suspension and transmission were all made in Germany so it still had a German VIN. Non M's has enough US sourced parts that they had a US VIN. |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 25, 2016 19:32:12 GMT -6
My 72 chevelle is a Canada car! Oshawa Ontario
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -6
Exactly what my point was bentin devastitis A new toyota factory in middle america will creat many more jobs than a US corporate HQ but manufacturing over seas. I truly feel the more entry level or low skill jobs the better. Idle hands. Did Shinola stop manufacturing all their stuff in Detroit? I understand the watch movement, but they were also building bicycles and other stuff, if I remember right. The videos showed them machining watch casings, and making leather goods by hand in Detroit. Short answer, no. That's what has made this frustrating. If one takes the time, on their website it clearly spells out what they do here, and where they get every component of every product. (Try and find that info for other stuff labeled made in USA) Is the movement crap? Don't know and don't care (I don't even wear a watch) but to expect them to invest Millions to make movements for $600 dollar watches makes no sense. |
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Post by bentin on Jan 26, 2016 13:36:12 GMT -6
Why make a quartz watch when you could just build a mechanical for a little more? Weiss uses cheap ETA movements and does some in house finishing for $1k. Shinola could just use a solid back and skip the detailing and with their volumes probably sell them for the same price as the quartz they offer now.
Making your own case and face and then throwing in a non mechanical movement is like building an aluminum AC Cobra replica and putting in a four cylinder.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 26, 2016 15:55:12 GMT -6
Why make a quartz watch when you could just build a mechanical for a little more? Weiss uses cheap ETA movements and does some in house finishing for $1k. Shinola could just use a solid back and skip the detailing and with their volumes probably sell them for the same price as the quartz they offer now. Making your own case and face and then throwing in a non mechanical movement is like building an aluminum AC Cobra replica and putting in a four cylinder. You'd still have a sweet car, though, and one that's less likely to kill you. An STi engine in an aluminum AC Cobra chassis would be glorious. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 15:55:42 GMT -6
Just a guess, that most buyers just want to wear it and forget it. But again I don't wear them. I look at them sometimes and see some that are tempting. Normally Bell and Ross but WOW!
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Post by bentin on Jan 26, 2016 15:57:37 GMT -6
Why make a quartz watch when you could just build a mechanical for a little more? Weiss uses cheap ETA movements and does some in house finishing for $1k. Shinola could just use a solid back and skip the detailing and with their volumes probably sell them for the same price as the quartz they offer now. Making your own case and face and then throwing in a non mechanical movement is like building an aluminum AC Cobra replica and putting in a four cylinder. You'd still have a sweet car, though, and one that's less likely to kill you. An STi engine in an aluminum AC Cobra chassis would be glorious. A Japanese copy of a German motor in an British roadster hijacked by an American chicken farmer. This would get a UN award. I'll stick to a Caterham or one of the S2k motored Ariel Atoms. |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 26, 2016 15:58:03 GMT -6
Just a guess, that most buyers just want to wear it and forget it. But again I don't wear them. I look at them sometimes and see some that are tempting. Normally Bell and Ross but WOW! I want a mechanical watch for the apocalypse, but I've had trouble justifying it for anything else, and does the time of day really matter in the apocalypse? I really don't wear watches though. |
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Post by bentin on Jan 26, 2016 15:58:58 GMT -6
Just a guess, that most buyers just want to wear it and forget it. But again I don't wear them. I look at them sometimes and see some that are tempting. Normally Bell and Ross but WOW! It's a fair point, and honestly most ETA watches have pretty poor resale, like any quartz watch. But quartz watches are the devil. Pure evil. |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 26, 2016 15:59:27 GMT -6
A Japanese copy of a German motor in an British roadster hijacked by an American chicken farmer. This would get a UN award. I'll stick to a Caterham or one of the S2k motored Ariel Atoms. psh. If life gave me Subaru and AC Cobra shaped lemons, I'd rather make lemonade.  |
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Post by bentin on Jan 26, 2016 16:02:08 GMT -6
Just a guess, that most buyers just want to wear it and forget it. But again I don't wear them. I look at them sometimes and see some that are tempting. Normally Bell and Ross but WOW! I want a mechanical watch for the apocalypse, but I've had trouble justifying it for anything else, and does the time of day really matter in the apocalypse? I really don't wear watches though.  I had one of these. I'd never noticed it had the correct Roman numeral for 4, not the correct horological IIII, that would drive me crazy now. |
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