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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 5, 2015 19:19:58 GMT -6
@dirty_Denim , I remember in the VapenSteal thread sometime ago, you mentioned a husband and wife that were working for R.A., That were skilled. Are you going to utilize any of the people that worked for him? They did put out a quality product. Or will you sub out like G does? Just curious,It's alright if you'd rather not answer. The best of luck to you my friend, I think you're going to be alright  Hey Derek, I wish i had budget to add more sewers especially to have them. The only way i would ever use a factory outside of my own sewers is if i did a collab with someone. For me I like the idea of getting to know my sewers like a family so they will make my pieces with excitement. Hired sewers I am sure can be great but none will be more motivated that employees that work for u. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 5, 2015 19:22:37 GMT -6
Pulling for a 633 or similar fit. 501 type. I am a huge 501 guy. The only thing i dont like is a 9 to 10 in hem . I think 8.5 is the max for me personally. I havent seen the straights completed yet but will let ya know how they turn out |
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 5, 2015 19:23:53 GMT -6
Pulling for a 633 or similar fit. 501 type. I am a huge 501 guy. The only thing i dont like is a 9 to 10 in hem . I think 8.5 is the max for me personally. I havent seen the straights completed yet but will let ya know how they turn out Exactly. 8.6ish is perfect for me. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 5, 2015 21:51:59 GMT -6
 Extremely inky denim. Knuckles, nails and palms have been under a steady attack from this denim. Im not a huge fan of denim that bleeds this much and in fact I usually automatically wash em but ill stick it out for they are the very 1st pair They have begun to shape a bit but these are not the rigid stiff denim that will usually hold form that well. Candiani makes comfy denim with these having a smooth very even weave and have a very even warp color
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Post by seth on Aug 6, 2015 4:13:54 GMT -6
Good luck with this adventure. Do you think you'll get any denim in the 17 + oz range?
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 8:46:48 GMT -6
Good luck with this adventure. Do you think you'll get any denim in the 17 + oz range? Thats what we set out to do this 1st round of buying. We ended up grabbing a 16oz which is on its way to us now. I think we will venture into heavier stuff as we progress with our comfort levels. We set a realistic number where our offerings will be in the 50 to 100 piece range. That will give us control of the time it takes to make each item. Once we have a handle on timing, we will do 2 things, 1) up the amount we make available & 2) Maybe do a pre funding stage of a limited amount 25 to 50 & then 50 to 100. The pre fund will be used for certain types of releases but thats still being talked about. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 9:41:25 GMT -6
Oh and with some of the heavier denims there will be a bump in price based on the cost to make it. For instance there was a denim we looked at that literally cost $30 per yard. That would put the cost in fabric alone at $75 to $90 per jean/top
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Post by DigDug on Aug 6, 2015 10:08:42 GMT -6
Oh and with some of the heavier denims there will be a bump in price based on the cost to make it. For instance there was a denim we looked at that literally cost $30 per yard. That would put the cost in fabric alone at $75 to $90 per jean/top DD, I have a hard time understanding/excepting that there is a profit to be had in a Sub $100 price. Fabric,Hardware,overhead, recouping investment But mostly the time needed to construct a pair. (How long does it take a sewer?) I wouldn't want to sell myself short. Or pigeon hole the business into a presived value. Unless your going for a large quantity of sales. What am I not seeing? |
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Post by bugula on Aug 6, 2015 10:12:51 GMT -6
not sure he ever mentioned a sub-$100 price point. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 10:20:00 GMT -6
Oh and with some of the heavier denims there will be a bump in price based on the cost to make it. For instance there was a denim we looked at that literally cost $30 per yard. That would put the cost in fabric alone at $75 to $90 per jean/top DD, I have a hard time understanding/excepting that there is a profit to be had in a Sub $100 price. Fabric,Hardware,overhead, recouping investment But mostly the time needed to construct a pair. (How long does it take a sewer?) I wouldn't want to sell myself short. Or pigeon hole the business into a presived value. Unless your going for a large quantity of sales. What am I not seeing? if you look again, he said that his fabric cost would be $75-$90 per pair, so including hardware, labor, profit, etc...would put him quite a bit over $100 |
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Post by DigDug on Aug 6, 2015 10:24:22 GMT -6
I stand corrected.
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Post by variable on Aug 6, 2015 11:11:13 GMT -6
I like how this is looking. And good idea, limiting the amount you produce. That will help with managing your schedule.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 11:19:05 GMT -6
Ah yes sorry for not explaining it further. The denim we looked at but did NOT buy cost $30 per yard. It usually takes 2.5 to 3 yards to make something with it. Some can do it with less fabric but its usually done by a machine with precise cuts unlike our by hand cuts. So $75 to $90 would be the fabric cost for this specific fabric we saw plus like @david said hardware, branding, thread and everything else would determine what we would "NEED" to charge. At this point I wouldn't say we would want to release such a jean as I think it would be smart to allow our potential customers to give us a shot with a more reasonably price jean. That doesnt mean we didnt buy some good stuff but you have to time ur purchases right and then stick to a strict way of buying it. If we stay within that we can offer denim just like that $30 per yard fabric but get it at a lower price. At the same time I am sure we will also be buying stuff that may cost us $30 but thats later on down the road
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Post by wdw on Aug 6, 2015 11:35:56 GMT -6
I think it's important that you price it right for you. That means you need to make a fair profit that makes the whole endeavour worth your while, and also a price that limits demand to your capacity and allows acceptable delivery timescales, ideally no more than 2 months.
We've all seen what happens when the price is wrong and I'd like to think that anyone here would be happy to pay a fair price for the fruits of your labour.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 11:59:08 GMT -6
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 13:02:40 GMT -6
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 6, 2015 15:29:34 GMT -6
That 16 oz. though. Beautiful. What mill? NM?
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 15:47:18 GMT -6
That 16 oz. though. Beautiful. What mill? NM? Both indigo's are from Japan mills with the 13oz def coming from Niphon Menpu. The 16 oz just has a Made in Japan label attached |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 16:14:45 GMT -6
I think these are a good mix of denim to start off with . (Wow i just got major deja vu as i typed this . Hope thats a good thing) The 13 oz is perfect for anyone during any season. Should age well as its nice and rigid. The 16 oz Japan Crosshatch would be the most unique of the 3 and will likely go quick. The Candiani black on blacks sew up beautifully and have a killer id. U guys should already have some experience with this one
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Post by jray on Aug 6, 2015 16:40:08 GMT -6
@dirty_Denim - as I said in an earlier post and even more now that I see the fabric -mark me down for a pair of those 16 oz brown id cross hatch
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Post by bugula on Aug 6, 2015 16:42:38 GMT -6
yeah, if the fit gets dialed in on the slim, the 16oz has my attention.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 17:52:52 GMT -6
Tomorrow we are working on measurements. Should have basic fit charts done soon
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 19:51:22 GMT -6
It's really rare to see an original pocket stitching... Nice work. THANK YOU!! I like it a lot as well. The back pocket stitch started out as a personal detail for me because i prefer stitching . Its now going to make it onto one of our cuts which will likely be the skinny jeans |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 23:30:16 GMT -6
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 6, 2015 23:58:06 GMT -6
I know man. I am going to mess with it tomorrow. The only bad thing about this will be my having to not touch the denim I would want so we will have enough for the customers. DONT GET HIGH ON YOUR OWN SUPPLY basically lol |
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