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Post by DigDug on Jun 21, 2016 14:15:33 GMT -6
Filed a $375 compliant.
Didn't add any paper work with it.
I'll dig it up later if needed.
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Post by Subsound on Jun 21, 2016 15:35:38 GMT -6
I like these two comments. Very convenient to have lost their list of orders!
"24. Defendants lost business records that allowed them to track what specific consumers ordered, how much was paid, whether merchandise was produced and delivered, or whether the consumer received a refund.
25. Defendants have failed to recover this information and cannot provide refunds to consumers without assistance."
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Post by jaesch on Jun 21, 2016 17:17:58 GMT -6
Filed my complaint as well. Hopefully this is the end of it.
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Post by bentin on Jun 21, 2016 18:05:28 GMT -6
I like these two comments. Very convenient to have lost their list of orders! "24. Defendants lost business records that allowed them to track what specific consumers ordered, how much was paid, whether merchandise was produced and delivered, or whether the consumer received a refund. 25. Defendants have failed to recover this information and cannot provide refunds to consumers without assistance." If only there were a list somewhere. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Jun 21, 2016 18:48:42 GMT -6
I got my letter from the azag and faxed over my order confirmation from Nov '14. Still not expecting to see jack squat
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Post by ickes on Jun 22, 2016 9:52:19 GMT -6
cool to see. good job guys. hope everyone gets something back.
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Post by matt on Jun 22, 2016 11:18:03 GMT -6
I hope everyone takes an opportunity to complete the form to the AZAG. For all of the orders on this site alone, the AG should see the validation of this fraud.
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Post by drstrange on Jun 22, 2016 12:03:07 GMT -6
I hope I can find anything looking like a receipt .... the only thing I have for sure is a credit card charge ...
anyway, if (great "if") I should receive anything back, I would rather donate it to a charity (as I have long time written of the money paid) ... has anyone got a suggestion for a treasured charity in Arizona (Sheriff Joe Arpaho will not be considered as a valid charity)?
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Post by devastitis on Jun 22, 2016 13:23:29 GMT -6
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Post by modslife on Jun 22, 2016 15:00:47 GMT -6
drstrange I think this is great! Count me in. I will also donate when/if a refund is ever received. Money has been long written off and lessons learned.
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Post by matt on Jun 22, 2016 16:52:30 GMT -6
drstrange modslife - I too am opting to donate potentially. I'm not in for much ($39.50) but it's a matter of principle to see closure on this thread. Getting the dollars back in hand first. Two ideas on the charitable idea: put the money back into Phoenix-area small business denim and buy something from Manny at Indigogene. The other would be starting here and picking one that seems to fit your interests.
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Post by drstrange on Jun 22, 2016 17:32:03 GMT -6
thanks Matt ...
on second thought, it might be a good idea to support Manny - if the 'dividend' is enough to pay for one of his trousers (plus shipping) ... as my loss is USD 253.- it's not completely impossible ... if not, and whatever remains definitely goes to charity (and I'll go through the list to see what might be to my liking) ...
there is no way I am taking any money physically back from Roman and that is definitely a matter of principle (or call it hubristic pride ...) ... I certainly do not cotton up to the idea of giving someone USD 100.- and getting back USD 50.- three years later and be happy with it ...
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Post by modslife on Jun 22, 2016 17:54:15 GMT -6
drstrange matt Great points. I like the Idigogene / Manny angle too. And I believe we are all on the same page and do not see IG/Manny as charity but rather as a deserving investment!
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Post by matt on Jun 22, 2016 18:05:10 GMT -6
Has anyone opted to share the AZAG press release with Heddels.com? There isn't as much traffic here since the news broke and that's probably in part because many of the people who were left high and dry have no idea that there's a solution being provided.
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Post by exophobe on Jun 22, 2016 18:37:20 GMT -6
Has anyone opted to share the AZAG press release with Heddels.com? There isn't as much traffic here since the news broke and that's probably in part because many of the people who were left high and dry have no idea that there's a solution being provided. I think it popped up on styleforum, haven't seen it elsewhere. |
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Post by drstrange on Jun 23, 2016 1:41:26 GMT -6
no, I don't see IG/Manny as a charity, maybe as a sort of development assistance (as, leaving out any potential refund, for the next couple of years I wouldn't be buying anything from him) .... but frankly, the idea of Roman having to pay (supposedly unwillingly) for the business development of his former employee would include quite some satisfactory momentum ....
well, let's dream and see what happens ....
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Post by unnamed on Jun 23, 2016 16:38:49 GMT -6
I like these two comments. Very convenient to have lost their list of orders! "24. Defendants lost business records that allowed them to track what specific consumers ordered, how much was paid, whether merchandise was produced and delivered, or whether the consumer received a refund. 25. Defendants have failed to recover this information and cannot provide refunds to consumers without assistance."  |
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Post by bentin on Jun 25, 2016 8:46:18 GMT -6
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Post by Winterland on Jun 25, 2016 9:05:08 GMT -6
From the Heddel'a article.
In an interview with a local news station, Acevedo says “the moral of the story is that American-made is almost impossible to do for a small business.”
I think you’ll find the majority of the brands on this site as evidence to the contrary -Ed
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Post by exophobe on Jun 25, 2016 9:40:33 GMT -6
From the Heddel'a article. In an interview with a local news station, Acevedo says “the moral of the story is that American-made is almost impossible to do for a small business.” I think you’ll find the majority of the brands on this site as evidence to the contrary -Ed that being the lesson he pulled from this experience is exactly the problem. It seems that those companies that manage to hold on to customer records are far more successful. If this as a whole says anything about American-made, it's that it can't be done for less than the mass-produced Mexican counterparts, and that the companies they pretty ruthlessly took shots at were actually right where they should be when it comes to price. |
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Post by matt on Jun 25, 2016 10:32:52 GMT -6
I'm glad to see that forwarding the Phoenix news article to Heddels resulted in something  |
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Post by exophobe on Jun 25, 2016 11:09:49 GMT -6
I've completed my complaint. Provided copies of the order confirmation and payment receipts for each. The online form makes filing the complaint pretty straight forward.
A couple pieces of information for anyone dragging their feet like I have been:
- The site says you must provide documentation validating the sale -- I don't know if they want any correspondence about the order sent to them, but if you have an easy record of that I'm sure it wouldn't hurt for receiving restitution.
- You have until September 5th to file a complaint. After that date they aren't accepting more.
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Post by I was REX on Jun 25, 2016 23:52:36 GMT -6
I shall be filing one of these complaints today. I thanks you all for bringings this to my attentions. I shall invest any returns I get into the stock markets. Buy low and sell high...that is what I always say.
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Post by scooter on Jun 26, 2016 9:11:37 GMT -6
I shall be filing one of these complaints today. I thanks you all for bringings this to my attentions. I shall invest any returns I get into the stock markets. Buy low and sell high...that is what I always say. From one crapshoot to the next. Somehow, it sounds appropriate. |
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Post by I was REX on Jun 26, 2016 10:28:26 GMT -6
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