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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:23:12 GMT -6
Could be decent, depends on cost. The thing with footwear is, it takes time and reviews from others to figure out how the sizes compare to brands you know. If I'm a 12 in brand X and a 13 in brand Y, it's always a crap shoot ordering brand Z when there is no information available. It looks like a CP or Buttero clone, so I would consider these generic CPs, nothing more. And it'll be interesting to see the quality. If they start falling apart after a few weeks or months of wear, are the customers just SoL or will they back these up with some sort of guarantee. |
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Post by Griffin on May 18, 2015 13:25:42 GMT -6
The last pic of the ones that could be horween would be interesting, but special edition Converse leather can be had for under $70 on ebay so if its good leather then they can add some, but alot more and I dont see the point? The only thing Im interested in is that sweet brown ones since I need it in my wardrobe and Converse doesnt have it (I think).
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:32:32 GMT -6
I'm intrigued based on the photos. Interested in materials, price, and if they hint/leak who is actually constructing them. it's unlikely they'll reveal who will makes their shoes, the same way they don't reveal which mills their fabrics come from. that's like asking McDonald's for the recipe to their secret sauce used in their Big Macs oh, i know they won't likely reveal...but we know where their jeans are sewn, and we know where they likely got some of their recent patterns inspiration (e.g.) |
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Post by brentkuz on May 18, 2015 13:44:40 GMT -6
Interesting. Probably won't ever spend $150 on sneakers. Plus I want to see how they hold up, sizing, materials used.
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Post by matt on May 18, 2015 13:54:31 GMT -6
You didn't factor in the standard Gustin mark-up. I'm guessing out of sheer arrogance, it will be $140. I'm curious about this comment. It's rare that I've seen Gustin as arrogant. They will definitely ostrich sometimes (though this was largely while they were going through whatever happened with Cody), perhaps oftentimes, and in doing so fail to admit mistakes, but I don't think they act arrogant. Though they will have to redesign this guy if these shoes are coming out of Italy (though I suppose there could be American ex-pats making shoes in Italy):  Perhaps arrogant is strong, how about we call it "market price"? You know, that mythical equation that dictates the upcharge on shirts, certain denims (anything silk), and their general desire to inch closer to the market they emulate (instead of being a more affordable alternative). |
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Post by nater on May 18, 2015 14:27:08 GMT -6
A while back I decided that when it came to sneakers I wasn't going to spend more than $50-70 for a pair. I found that I just beat on them too much and that they just kind of lost their luster after a year or 2 - they just didn't seem that cool any more. I can justify paying $150+ for a pair of dress shoes or boots but when it comes to sneakers I just don't see the point in spending that much on something that will probably wear out after a couple years and that I will no longer be that into.
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Post by brentkuz on May 18, 2015 14:31:10 GMT -6
A while back I decided that when it came to sneakers I wasn't going to spend more than $50-70 for a pair. I found that I just beat on them too much and that they just kind of lost their luster after a year or 2 - they just didn't seem that cool any more. I can justify paying $150+ for a pair of dress shoes or boots but when it comes to sneakers I just don't see the point in spending that much on something that will probably wear out after a couple years and that I will no longer be that into. 100% agree. Boots I'll spend money on. Dress shoes the same. But I'm not a sneaker guy. I like converse, PF flyers, jack purcells. But I never understood the big money sneakers. Especially white leather...add in raw denim...they will have the smurf ring in a day. |
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Post by curieux88 on May 18, 2015 14:37:35 GMT -6
A while back I decided that when it came to sneakers I wasn't going to spend more than $50-70 for a pair. I found that I just beat on them too much and that they just kind of lost their luster after a year or 2 - they just didn't seem that cool any more. I can justify paying $150+ for a pair of dress shoes or boots but when it comes to sneakers I just don't see the point in spending that much on something that will probably wear out after a couple years and that I will no longer be that into. 100% agree. Boots I'll spend money on. Dress shoes the same. But I'm not a sneaker guy. I like converse, PF flyers, jack purcells. But I never understood the big money sneakers. Especially white leather...add in raw denim...they will have the smurf ring in a day. Ditto. It's probably really hard for them to make us-made leather sneakers that are sub $100. If the Gustin kicks come out to be >$150, I'd understand their pricing, but I won't back them. Since they said "Gustin footwear," instead of "Gustin sneakrs," I'm hoping that they would design boots, boat shoes, and so on. |
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Post by quick on May 18, 2015 15:25:51 GMT -6
fwiw they are margom soles, according to G on fb.
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Post by jlx on May 18, 2015 15:29:58 GMT -6
What's everyone guess on pricing? I'm thinking the G-CPs will be near the Kent Wang pricing... maybe $99. You didn't factor in the standard Gustin mark-up. I'm guessing out of sheer arrogance, it will be $140. But it's the same product Gustin would sell in stores for $400+! |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 16:42:10 GMT -6
What is everyone's thoughts on the announced G-feet? I'm intrigued based on the photos. Interested in materials, price, and if they hint/leak who is actually constructing them. That's the necessary bit of info. I'm not buying does from some mystery factory/manufacturer. Though, I wish they would have just gone the route of doing a boot collab |
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Post by caleb on May 18, 2015 17:05:29 GMT -6
So Gustin is going to try and make the case that Made in Italy is just like Made in America. And I'm going to preemptively say that it's not. Given lax EU and Italian labeling standards, there's really no guarantee that these are produced under even marginally fair conditions. There's a good chance that these are mostly made in China and "finished" in Italy where they have the Made in Italy label slapped on them, which is totally legal under Italian law. And even within Italy, the labor standards are pretty darn lax. See here: www.bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/italian-jobs-chinese-illegals-11032011.html So basically there's no way of knowing whether these are actually made in Italy under humane conditions, or if they are made in China and finished in Italy by undocumented Chinese immigrants working under sweatshop conditions. And that's why Gustin is going to Italy, because it's cheaper and they hope nobody will know why. If they want to build their brand on fair wages and jobs in America, Gustin can't be outsourcing to "Italy." |
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Post by exophobe on May 18, 2015 17:20:19 GMT -6
So Gustin is going to try and make the case that Made in Italy is just like Made in America. And I'm going to preemptively say that it's not. Given lax EU and Italian labeling standards, there's really no guarantee that these are produced under even marginally fair conditions. There's a chance that these are mostly made in China and finished in Italy where they have the Made in Italy label slapped on them, which is totally legal under Italian law. And even within Italy, the labor standards are pretty darn lax. See here: www.bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/italian-jobs-chinese-illegals-11032011.html So basically there's no way of knowing whether these are actually made in Italy under humane conditions, or if they are made in China and finished in Italy by undocumented Chinese immigrants working under sweatshop conditions. And that's why Gustin is going to Italy, because it's cheaper and they hope nobody will know why. If they want to build their brand on fair wages and jobs in America, Gustin can't be outsourcing to "Italy." I've attempted to ask about it both on facebook and instagram, we'll see if they respond. I'd rather support something like common projects or whatever that other brand posted here a while back was than questionable labor. If they're using Giants, though, they claim to have a fairly transparent supply chain, though I haven't really done any research. |
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Post by exophobe on May 18, 2015 17:26:07 GMT -6
I also removed my comment from Facebook, and will instead email them.
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Post by brentkuz on May 18, 2015 18:26:37 GMT -6
It's like "invictus Swiss made watches" Chinese crap!
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Post by exophobe on May 18, 2015 18:31:13 GMT -6
It's like "invictus Swiss made watches" Chinese crap! They should probably be allowed to answer the question before they're indicted for forsaking their values, no? |
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Post by brentkuz on May 18, 2015 18:40:01 GMT -6
It's like "invictus Swiss made watches" Chinese crap! They should probably be allowed to answer the question before they're indicted for forsaking their values, no? I'm talking about Invictus it's a prime example of a company that says "Made Here" but is really made somewhere else. I have no clue what Gustin is doing but I'm showing a real life example of what was posted above. |
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Post by caleb on May 18, 2015 18:48:45 GMT -6
Since I'm sure Gustin is still around, here are my questions:
Are these shoes made start to finish in Italy?
Have you visited the factory where they are made?
If so, are you confident that all workers are Italian citizens and/or protected at the same level as citizens under EU labor standards?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 18:51:10 GMT -6
Since I'm sure Gustin is still around, here are my questions: Are these shoes made start to finish in Italy? Have you visited the factory where they are made? If so, are you confident that all workers are Italian citizens and/or protected at the same level as citizens under EU labor standards? Am I missing something? Gustin was here? |
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Post by exophobe on May 18, 2015 19:30:32 GMT -6
Although, we could go a different route and just be outraged that they've stolen Common Projects design (see Gustin CPO discussion) -- though I think this gets to "well Common Projects never really had an original design" much quicker than something that has so many pockets. Someone on styleforum pointed out that CP are made in Italy, so I suppose it's in the realm of possibility these are coming out of the same factory. Are we assuming that CP is finishing Chinese sneakers in Italy for $400+? Both Greats and Common Projects seem to use the Margom sole, but neither seem to use Horween leather, so there is that. The logistical issue with this is that the leather has to be shipped from Illinois to Italy... Oak Street was apparently able to source the Margom sole for some loafers they made, it'd be nice to hear that Gustin was sampling shops in Italy but decided on one in the USA -- it'd be lovely if they'd partnered with OSB to make these things since it would likely expand OSB. It'd be idiotic to be making them in the USA and tease them with a Made in Italy insole, though.
I am going to be bummed out if they go against their principles on this thing, but on the plus side I likely have jeans to last the rest of my life, so if I have to move on from Gustin it really won't be that painful. Honestly it'd be good for me.
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Post by exophobe on May 18, 2015 19:46:01 GMT -6
I'm talking about Invictus it's a prime example of a company that says "Made Here" but is really made somewhere else. I have no clue what Gustin is doing but I'm showing a real life example of what was posted above. I see what you're saying, it just didn't read that way in context. Sorry for the misunderstanding. |
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Post by bozer on May 18, 2015 19:51:27 GMT -6
So Gustin is going to try and make the case that Made in Italy is just like Made in America. And I'm going to preemptively say that it's not. Given lax EU and Italian labeling standards, there's really no guarantee that these are produced under even marginally fair conditions. There's a good chance that these are mostly made in China and "finished" in Italy where they have the Made in Italy label slapped on them, which is totally legal under Italian law. And even within Italy, the labor standards are pretty darn lax. See here: www.bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/italian-jobs-chinese-illegals-11032011.html So basically there's no way of knowing whether these are actually made in Italy under humane conditions, or if they are made in China and finished in Italy by undocumented Chinese immigrants working under sweatshop conditions. And that's why Gustin is going to Italy, because it's cheaper and they hope nobody will know why. If they want to build their brand on fair wages and jobs in America, Gustin can't be outsourcing to "Italy." Let's burn them at the stake before knowing anything about them!! |
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Post by brentkuz on May 18, 2015 20:31:09 GMT -6
I thought people (especially reddit and SF) were staying away from OSB since they cut like every corner possible. Someone deconstructed a shoe and found they really cheaped out.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 21:24:41 GMT -6
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I've always assumed (maybe incorrectly) that OSB outsource the production of their line. There are many capable shoe factories in Mane willing to produce.
Even if these get stamped USA they could come from another country 30% done. Finish them here and bam USA.
An example is Allen Edmonds. Only the highest lines are 100% USA. Most of their shoes are started in SA brought up here and finished then bam USA.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 21:39:55 GMT -6
G is already outsourcing to Portugal. How is Italy any different? I've always assumed (maybe incorrectly) that OSB outsource the production of their line. There are many capable shoe factories in Mane willing to produce. Even if these are stamped USA they could come from another country 30% done. Finish them here and bam USA. An example is Allen Edmonds. Only the highest lines are 100% USA. Most of their shoes are started in SA brought up here and finished and bam USA. Which product(s) has G made in Portugal? I know TS has some shirting done there, wasn't aware of anything G was doing |
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