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Post by davelewis on Mar 18, 2018 12:23:49 GMT -6
Agree on both counts. Don't like button down collars and not giving shoulder measurements makes all your other measuments meaningless. For the most part, button down collars are not a mainstay with me. I do have a couple, which I bought from Ratio where you can get exact measurements, and faster then the TS workshop stuff, plus its all MIUSA! for the same money. I have a half dozen TS shirts that I like and wear often, but were purchased years ago, before the outsourcing started. They simply don't offer much anymore of any interest to me. |
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Post by kkozel on Mar 18, 2018 18:32:17 GMT -6
I'll probably end up with that new Army shirt and the Tan chamois shirt. I know Mic, but well fitting solid staples work for me. I've been moving away from patterns a bit in my winter clothing. I'm getting plaid-ed out. Keep it MiUSA and get it now? stockmfgco.com/products/sage-barracks-flannelI like this shirt. Might have to pick this up. |
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Post by davelewis on May 1, 2018 11:35:20 GMT -6
I just finished up the latest TS survey, and was disgusted at most everything being made in china, mexico, and now Turkey. I guess the fact that Turkey is a sponsor of terrorism doesn't figure in the equation. I also noticed that in the reasons for not liking a product, there isn't a choice concerning where stuff is made. I took to opportunity to send an additional comment to them, and told them how I feel about the direction they have taken. Not that I expect anything to change, but I do know that if the majority of people quit buying from them, they would alter these practices. Not sure why I even took the time, as I don't need ANY new clothes, but its just what I do, lol
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Post by hopsbreath on May 1, 2018 12:45:15 GMT -6
I just finished up the latest TS survey, and was disgusted at most everything being made in china, mexico, and now Turkey. I guess the fact that Turkey is a sponsor of terrorism doesn't figure in the equation. I also noticed that in the reasons for not liking a product, there isn't a choice concerning where stuff is made. I took to opportunity to send an additional comment to them, and told them how I feel about the direction they have taken. Not that I expect anything to change, but I do know that if the majority of people quit buying from them, they would alter these practices. Not sure why I even took the time, as I don't need ANY new clothes, but its just what I do, lol Seriously, $100+ button ups MiC; they do know the yuan to dollar ratio is like 6–1, right? |
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Post by cwongdog on May 1, 2018 20:46:15 GMT -6
The last shirts I got from TS were the blue hemp chambray and the reverse navy jacquard. Both made in Portugal. The jacquard I don’t regret, mainly owing to the print/weave. I’m eh about the chambray. Other than those two all of my other TS shirts have been made in California.
FWIW, the older shirts all fit better than the newer offerings. At some point, they adjusted their sizing to the point where a large feels like an extra large.
Seems like they are trying to cancel out the move to foreign manufacturing with a greater emphasis on sustainable materials. i.e hemp, wool and polyester.
Regarding the survey, there wasn’t a thing I was interested in.
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Post by hopsbreath on May 1, 2018 21:08:44 GMT -6
The last shirts I got from TS were the blue hemp chambray and the reverse navy jacquard. Both made in Portugal. The jacquard I don’t regret, mainly owing to the print/weave. I’m eh about the chambray. Other than those two all of my other TS shirts have been made in California. FWIW, the older shirts all fit better than the newer offerings. At some point, they adjusted their sizing to the point where a large feels like an extra large. Seems like they are trying to cancel out the move to foreign manufacturing with a greater emphasis on sustainable materials. i.e hemp, wool and polyester. Regarding the survey, there wasn’t a thing I was interested in. Same, selected “very unlikely” for every single piece. |
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Post by davelewis on May 2, 2018 16:55:58 GMT -6
Another note to add to the last TS survey. I had made some comments to them concerning the direction they have taken since their beginning, and had noted that I didn't really want a response. They sent back quite a lengthy response, which to me was basically blah blah blah, about why they do what they do, but what I found most interesting was they claimed that they are NOT profitable. That being the case, how much longer will they be able to operate?
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Post by northcoast on May 2, 2018 17:49:23 GMT -6
Another note to add to the last TS survey. I had made some comments to them concerning the direction they have taken since their beginning, and had noted that I didn't really want a response. They sent back quite a lengthy response, which to me was basically blah blah blah, about why they do what they do, but what I found most interesting was they claimed that they are NOT profitable. That being the case, how much longer will they be able to operate? I'm sure there are finance people on here that could chime in on this idea, but if they are being truthful about NOT being profitable I'm guessing they are looking to be acquired so the principals can cash out. Build up the volume, client list, and manufacturing base to the point where some entity decides they look good enough to buy. |
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Post by davelewis on May 2, 2018 18:59:54 GMT -6
I'll have to give credit to Gustin for staying true to their model, and not outsourcing everything they make. My only complaint to them is when they changed the sizing on their shirts. I have a couple of great denim shirts from G that fit as good as any IH I own, but those are XXLs, but unfortunately those don't work for me since they sized down. At least they are still producing them here.
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Post by northcoast on May 2, 2018 21:54:30 GMT -6
I'll have to give credit to Gustin for staying true to their model, and not outsourcing everything they make. My only complaint to them is when they changed the sizing on their shirts. I have a couple of great denim shirts from G that fit as good as any IH I own, but those are XXLs, but unfortunately those don't work for me since they sized down. At least they are still producing them here. We are in agreement and have covered this ad-nauseum but selling out the shirting to reverse vanity sizing had to be a volume proposition decision that tied into their cost per unit. Given the average size of Americans these days I'm not sure that's the correct long term play. Be that as it may the production model of pay and sew should allow for this accommodation if only for the marketing value of retaining advocates that are a vocal minority. Freenote did the same thing dropping the xxl size which fit me great, but their prices are ....boutique. Eagle Rare says hello. |
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Post by cwongdog on May 15, 2018 13:28:14 GMT -6
Hey guys,
Looking at the Moto shirt, which is in last call for $89 and made in CA to boot. Question on sizing, as I've never tried the Moto shirt. I've heard that they run small compared to the Jacks, Mechanics or California styles. Can anyone back that up? I wear a large in the others.
Also, understood that there were QC issues with this run, but TS has always been pretty good about refunds or replacements, even if they were in Last Call.
Thanks for any advice.
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Post by northcoast on May 15, 2018 13:50:07 GMT -6
Hey guys, Looking at the Moto shirt, which is in last call for $89 and made in CA to boot. Question on sizing, as I've never tried the Moto shirt. I've heard that they run small compared to the Jacks, Mechanics or California styles. Can anyone back that up? I wear a large in the others. Also, understood that there were QC issues with this run, but TS has always been pretty good about refunds or replacements, even if they were in Last Call. Thanks for any advice. I did return the first one they sent me for being a little tight in the chest. |
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Post by bentin on May 15, 2018 14:35:14 GMT -6
My three year old Moto and current one both fit the same as my older Jacks and Glaciers. However a recent Jack is much looser than any of those other shirts. So if you have a recent Jack, then there's a good chance that the Moto will be smaller than that.
My pockets are a solid inch off vertically, I think there's a pic a few pages back. For the money, it's almost excusable. If it had been more expensive I'd have returned it.
But F a big bag of TS and their current all Chinese runs. I'd recommend you give your money to someone running a good business, not these hacks.
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Post by bentin on May 15, 2018 19:53:47 GMT -6
Just for posterity since I couldn't find it.  |
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Post by DigDug on May 15, 2018 20:43:51 GMT -6
Just for posterity since I couldn't find it. Keep in mind that this was deliberately done. Not saying you should like it but it was done to keep the pattern |
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Post by bentin on May 16, 2018 5:30:43 GMT -6
Yeah, they did it right to match the pattern. But I’ve got plenty of shirts that match the pattern and align the pockets, it just takes better qc. Ironically I bet their MiC shirts are spot on.
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Post by DigDug on May 16, 2018 8:07:17 GMT -6
Yeah, they did it right to match the pattern. But I’ve got plenty of shirts that match the pattern and align the pockets, it just takes better qc. Ironically I bet their MiC shirts are spot on. It is Not a quality control problem with this shirts pockets. It was designed this way, they All are made with the pocket flap higher. The pockets are alined. Take the pocket flap off and all will aline. |
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Post by bentin on May 16, 2018 8:20:12 GMT -6
Yeah, they did it right to match the pattern. But I’ve got plenty of shirts that match the pattern and align the pockets, it just takes better qc. Ironically I bet their MiC shirts are spot on. It is Not a quality control problem with this shirts pockets. It was designed this way, they All are made with the pocket flap higher. The pockets are alined. Take the pocket flap off and all will aline. Look at the bottom. It's definitely not aligned. I know TS likes dumb pockets, but this is still unaligned. My earlier Moto is actually perfectly aligned across the bottom, and as you said, the one with a pocket flap is higher. |
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Post by DigDug on May 16, 2018 9:42:40 GMT -6
It is Not a quality control problem with this shirts pockets. It was designed this way, they All are made with the pocket flap higher. The pockets are alined. Take the pocket flap off and all will aline. Look at the bottom. It's definitely not aligned. I know TS likes dumb pockets, but this is still unaligned. My earlier Moto is actually perfectly aligned across the bottom, and as you said, the one with a pocket flap is higher. One pocket was made bigger on purpose. I think the pocket with the flap was made somewhat to be like a cigarette pocket. |
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Post by bentin on May 16, 2018 9:55:44 GMT -6
Are you a lawyer? One pocket is misaligned. If they'd made the one with a flap shorter, it could be aligned with the bigger pocket without a flap. Or they could have gone the Momotaro route and made them clearly two different sizes.
Regardless, I like the shirt, but hate the company. So I may just get the Epaulet copy and sell all my TS stuff out of spite. Towelie is the only one that would be fairly hard to replace like for like.
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Post by ickes on May 16, 2018 14:01:52 GMT -6
Silver lining....TS has the easiest and most efficient return process I have found from any vendor on the web. Last week. I made my first purchase from them in god knows how long and I immediately returned it, but at least the process was ridiculously easy.
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Post by bentin on May 16, 2018 14:30:36 GMT -6
Silver lining....TS has the easiest and most efficient return process I have found from any vendor on the web. Last week. I made my first purchase from them in god knows how long and I immediately returned it, but at least the process was ridiculously easy. Yeah, they're nice people making dumb decisions. |
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Post by bentin on Jul 6, 2018 9:11:35 GMT -6
Man, even at my own expense, I'm hoping the trade war with China makes things extremely unpleasant for TS.
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Post by ncbluegrass on Jul 16, 2018 6:26:49 GMT -6
The Montara Jacket is the only item i've seen that's caused me to open up their website from an email in a long time. Even with my credits and the preorder discount I still could never pull the trigger.
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Post by ickes on Jul 16, 2018 9:30:01 GMT -6
I kinda liked those olive and charcoal jacquards they have up for pre-order.
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